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A report about anti-glycation supps Carnosine Beta-Alanine (=methylation?)

Discussion in 'Detox: Methylation; B12; Glutathione; Chelation' started by Gondwanaland, Mar 31, 2017.

  1. Asklipia

    Asklipia Senior Member

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    I feel the need for biotin a few times a week, and I already take thiamine and B6.
    Molybdenum I am not taking.
    Up to now, all is fine.:hug:
     
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  2. Gondwanaland

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    Again about sulfation, I must link this old post here which directs to a fascinating study on cysteine/sulfate ratio and the corresponding symptoms.
    I have many symptoms of low sulfate and I struggle with cysteine foods. Carcinine resolved it for me - so this pretty much confirms that the supplement resolves sulfation issues.
     
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  3. Asklipia

    Asklipia Senior Member

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    :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
     
  4. Gondwanaland

    Gondwanaland Senior Member

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    What sulfation does:

     
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  5. Gondwanaland

    Gondwanaland Senior Member

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    Be sure to add some Selenium
     
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  7. Chocolove

    Chocolove Tournament of the Phoenix - Rise Again

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    @Gondwanaland From that first article I particularly liked these excerpts:
    From the second article:
    From the third article:
    Noting that folks in the USA have avoided many high fat foods ...including those that contain true vitamin A, and few consume liver or the cod-liver oil that our grandparents did which was a primary source of true vitamin A, I rather suspect that our apparent lack of hyaluronic acid in the USA may be primarily due to lack of true vitamin A ...and of course also due as well to our major deficiency in magnesium.
     
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  8. Gondwanaland

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    Zinc is another pervasive deficiency.
     
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    Zinc depletion is a very likely explanation for my lab results and crashing after my 1st Carcinine round.
     
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    We don't take extra zinc, but eat a lot of zinc foods.
    Back on 40 mg Glycoxil, I thought maybe 100 mg was too much.
    Energy, good mood, good sleep.
    AND LOTS of thoughts, memories, dreams. Answers from the past. Which was awful but I did not realize it at the time. People must have thought me crazy, when I was so happy never mind the hatred all around me. Which I must have imbibed after all. Black magic turning me into a victim. I can see them now, plotting my death behind my back.
    Well, I take that energy back. The insidious stress from all these attacks helped drain me of my thiamine! And I feel the thiamine is revealing my past, at the same time it is replenishing my organs it is bringing to consciousness the moment when it was stolen.
    Be well and good luck to all!:hug::hug:
    7 guests today. Things must be going well for me! :balloons:
     
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    hi @Asklipia

    I am trying freddd's methylation protocol & have been for 4-5 months now. however I ran into massive problems with fever & irritability and it was suggested to me that B1 deficiency may be the problem here. I was wondering what your solution to this issue was - did you continue taking b12 & folate, and then add additional thiamine, or did you reduce the b12 & folate massively & add additional thiamin? also how much thiamine did you take and how long did it take until you felt like the depletion had been restored?

    i take the jarrow b-right multi b-vitamin pills every day, which have all the b vitamins, (along with metafolin folate & sublingual b12] & but this made no difference on my bad mood & fever. so perhaps i should continue taking it but also take like 600mg of thiamine, [or more?]. im not really sure...

    would love to hear your experiences

    thanks so much
     
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    Hi @jhlyon. Please keep in mind that I am not a health professional and do not give advice.
    In 2012 I tried Fredd's protocol and ran into difficulties after a couple of good weeks. When I suggested all this methylfolate was not a good idea I was harshly criticized. I stopped all extra folate and B12 then.
    I started thiamine supplementation by taking Thiamine HCL and could not stand it. So I stopped.
    I started again (end 2012) with fursultiamine (a lipophilic thiamine) as Alinamin, a Japanese product with low dosage and extra B2. This helped me but then I moved and could not get it anymore.
    Until 2015 I think, when a friend brought me from Singapore the new Alinamin Ex Plus, which includes other B vitamins. I found it very helpful.
    Because of the extra energy, I ran into very big changes in my life and did not research much.
    Dramatic effects since going on big doses of lipophilic thiamine in January 2017.
    At present I take about 500 mg a day, split in three doses, a mix of sulbutiamine (ARCALION), fursultiamine (Allithiamine - Ecological Formulas and Lipothiamine - Cardiovascular Research), benfotiamine (Doctors Best) + sublingual B1 (Source Naturals). I also take some magnesium. This has been nearly 9 months and new benefits are still slowly coming up.
    I discussed thiamine extensively on several other threads. There is a lot of information there.
    http://forums.phoenixrising.me/inde...te-inhibiting-thiamine-b-1.23392/#post-357739
    http://forums.phoenixrising.me/inde...genase-function-depends-on-thiamine-b1.48757/
    http://forums.phoenixrising.me/inde...ent-story-focus-on-thiamine-deficiency.24059/
    http://forums.phoenixrising.me/index.php?threads/high-dose-vitamin-b1-thiamine.34387/
    Have a look at Hormones Matter, where Dr Derrick Lonsdale is writing.

    Whatever you do, please report on your experiences. I could not have improved my heath so dramatically if it had not been from helping PR members!
    Be well! :hug:
    Asklipia
     
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  14. Gondwanaland

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    I think your high zinc diet is a big part of solving the puzzle.
     
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  16. Lolinda

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    Summary of hair effects reported on this thread

    Interestingly, hair growth was mentioned many times on this thread, not only in regard of carcinine but also vitamin B1. So anyone interested, here you get a collection:

     
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  17. Lolinda

    Lolinda after meals, I need to lay in bed for hours

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    Then, here my summary of what I did so far myself:

    A few years ago, a daily pill of tocotrienol for some weeks stopped hair loss completely (I always had a pillow full of hair and thereafter no more). Product: Tocomin Suprabio.

    A year or so ago, daily scalp massage using Mg-Cl saturated solution with water stopped seborrhoeic dermatitis (diagnosed by dermatologist before and verified thereafter that gone. And most of all, itching gone). Keeps coming back w/o Mg-Cl

    I had a lot of atrophied hair as diagnosed by dermatoscope (=microscope). Some month of nutritional yeast (2g dry yeast flakes /day) and the baffled dermatologist found not a single atrophied hair. He said he has never seen such a change in such a short time. Active ingredients: yeast is among the highest foodstuffs in uridine, and this specific yeast is so high in B1 that 2g dry flakes cover the RDA.
    I found literature both for uridine and B1 to be involved in hair and skin metabolism heavily. (My facial skin and feet skin look younger now, face more round, more filled)
    I have seen the microscope pics of the hair before/after and was pleased with the many nice strong thick hairs :) :)
    Then, I regularly cut a few stray hairs from my eyebrows that untidily grow longer than the rest. Since I am on the yeast, such stray hairs grow considerably longer, I really need to cut them. While hair grows on my head is impossible to judge (confounding factors such as hair washing, hair dressers, etc), I take the eyebrows as evidence that it increases growth.

    What I have not yet resolved and would want to, a bigggg lot:
    I have here and there a stray grey hair. Any ideas? It is definitively not copper deficiency, because I eat fully enough and my hair analysis shows no deficit either and my blood and urine copper is good, too.
     
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  18. Gondwanaland

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    Meanwhile I have read that grey hair comes from unbalanced Zn:Cu ratio, and I have a Zn deficiency rather than a Cu one (determined empirically).

    BTW if you read about ceruloplasmin, the main nutrients needed are B5, vit A, Zn & Cu.

    Also, white hair is from H2O2, and SOD CATALASE is needed to turn H2O2 into H2O - but I don't remember which SOD (probably ZnSOD, but MnSOD?)

    Also, you take Zinc Carnosine, right Lolinda? Edit : and B5
     
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  19. Asklipia

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    Thank you @Lolinda B1 definitely increases the length and quality of existing hairs. No doubt they are more springy and longer. By far!
    Does not seem to work on eyelashes and eyebrows (a little better only). Maybe they need biotin in these places? Biotin seems to work on my eyelashes.
    Maybe different places need different Bs?

    Supposing this hair rising qualities are due not to the production of hairs themselves but consecutive to extra vitality of the organs governing those areas, depending on specific activation of hormones?

    I feel as though I have gained more strength generally, but also that, when I was sick, and grew weaker generally, some places in my body had stopped working properly before others, and then that more and more areas went dark.

    For me thiamine deficiency started with weakness in the legs and loss of eyebrows. I have not yet regained totally the strength in the legs, nor the eyebrows. There is progress on both sides though! Some muscles in my legs are back to normal, but not all. No problem because before I was sick I enjoyed superhuman strength so that I am even now in a vastly superior condition compared to people I meet in the street!

    From time to time (after more than 9 months of heavy thiamine supplementation) I feel the tenderness at the front of my shins which is an early sign of beriberi. No doubt all this thiamine is being used up for secret repairs. This sign comes and goes, a sign that I am borderline deficient still.

    A good sign is since last week I have started to grow hairs on my legs!!!!!! None was growing there since about 20 years ago. Vitality is appearing there!
    Hugs and lots of love! Thank you for the Tocomin mention. Which brand did you use?
    Be well :balloons::balloons::hug:
    Asklipia
     
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  20. Gondwanaland

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    I am familiar with it! SOmetime in the past I had it, can't remember when...
    You have been giving signs of excess DHT, not sure to which extent it is desirable... I could be wrong though, since the bald patches on my shins increased with higher DHT, and the back of my thighs got hairier :oops:

    One thing for sure, due to my underlying deficiencies, glycoxil increased DHT while lowering all the other desirable hormones :meh:
     
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