Why was the Covid success from Honduras Censored?

[SWAlexander]

Honduras has the lowest Covid death rate, but their way of treating C-19 patients was rejected because science did not like to believe a third-world country could be scientifically accepted. An absolute scandal and arrogance.

Short video: https://philipmcmillan.substack.com...ail&utm_campaign=email-half-post&r=squl4#play

 

[Judee]

Some other countries like Kenya where they were using some things like Ivermectin for parasites already also had low infection rates.

When the WHO finally got around to sending them the vaccines, they didn't need them, their infection rates were almost down to nothing by then.

So they begged for some other medical supplies to be sent instead - stuff their hospitals actually did need - but were ignored.

 

[SWAlexander]

I read the original Honduras paper before it was taken down. I´m just sorry that I did not copy the paper.
Then I stopped the European meds (methotrexate and heparin) and followed some of their direction with a daily high dose of Vit. D. for over a month. It was too late for Antiphospholipid antibody syndrome (APS), but I survived.

 

[Cipher]

Honduras has the lowest Covid death rate

Some other countries like Kenya where they were using some things like Ivermectin for parasites already also had low infection rates.

That doesn't seem accurate:

Estimating excess mortality due to the COVID-19 pandemic: a systematic analysis of COVID-19-related mortality, 2020–21

Estimated excess mortality rate (per 100 000)

Global average 120·3 (113·1 to 129·3)
Honduras 297·1 (251·7 to 360·0)
Kenya 181·2 (135·3 to 281·8)

 

[Judee]

That doesn't seem accurate:

Too tired to break it apart right now. I'm sorry. Here is the WHO's numbers though: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

I can try to come back later and figure percentages, if my brain will let me though it might not.

 

[Cipher]

Too tired to break it apart right now. I'm sorry. Here is the WHO's numbers though: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

There's a discrepancy between reported and actual case numbers, especially in countries like Kenya. Excess mortality calculations aren't dependent on the amount of testing that has been done.

 

[SWAlexander]

As it is explained in the video, Honduras did not receive any help from 2020 to 2021. That was the time doctors took matters into their own hands and the death rate went down and remained down.

 

[Cipher]

As it is explained in the video, Honduras did not receive any help from 2020 to 2021. That was the time doctors took matters into their own hands and the death rate went down and remained down.
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Honduras started mass-distribute ivermectin already in 2020:

Published in the journal BMJ Global Health, the study found that the governments of Brazil, Honduras, Panama, and Peru distributed ivermectin in 2020 before any randomized controlled trial (RCT) was completed. Honduras led the way in June 2020, and the other countries quickly followed.

 

[Osaca]

I can't believe that some people are still spreading this pseudoscientific conspiracy theory Ivermectin nonsense even after the majority of studies had to be retracted and all claims have been disproven multiple times in multiple different studies.

 

[JES]

Honduras ranks 97th in least COVID deaths per million according to all countries ranked here. Not particularly impressive. The more likely real reason they did not have more deaths is their population demographic: median age is 24 while for example in Italy it's 48.

 

[godlovesatrier]

It's unlikely they tested their populations properly or accurately.

 

[Cipher]

So the WHO is not a trustworthy source?

It seems like you missed my point. Countries like Kenya of course under-report the number of COVID-19 cases due to lack of testing, due to a lack of money. Hence, COVID-19 deaths will be under-reported. However, deaths in general, of all causes, are more reliably reported, hence "excess mortality" can be used to estimate the deaths caused by the pandemic.

Here's an explanation what excess mortality means:

In this article, excess mortality refers to the number of deaths from all causes measured during a crisis, above what could be observed under 'normal' conditions. The excess mortality indicator takes the number of people who died from any cause, in a given period, and compares it with a historical baseline from previous years in a period that was not affected by the COVID-19 pandemic

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Excess_mortality_-_statistics

That seems to actually prove her case and mine.

The excess mortality in both Kenya and Honduras were higher than the global average during 2020-2021, so I don't understand what you mean.

"Remdesivir, also known as Veklury, and the steroid dexamethasone are the only drugs authorized to treat Covid-19 patients. But a recent massive global study of remdesivir's effectiveness, run by the WHO, showed that remdesivir had little or no impact on hospitalized patients, contradicting previous trials."

That's sad...it was the only one "authorized" but "had little or no impact...contradicting previous trials." So people died.

Remdesivir (and Paxlovid) does work however if given in the early phase of the infection, before hospitalization. As with many other antivirals such as Tamiflu, they don't work if given in the late phase of the infection.

Among nonhospitalized patients who were at high risk for Covid-19 progression, a 3-day course of remdesivir had an acceptable safety profile and resulted in an 87% lower risk of hospitalization or death than placebo.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2116846

 

[Osaca]

UNLIKE big pharma/CDC/and the Universities who also profited by studies meant to turn everyone away from taking it?

It’s not always the bad pharma industry vs the honest YouTube “scientist” though. A good example of that are the Metformin Covid and Long-Covid studies. Here we have an equally cheap drug completely outperforming Ivermectin (both Ivermectin and Fluvoxamine were part of these studies https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(23)00299-2/fulltext, https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/2801827, https://pesquisa.bvsalud.org/global...avirus-2019-ncov/resource/pt/covidwho-2313178, https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2201662) both in reducing viral load as well as reducing the risk of getting Long Covid, whilst Ivermectin can’t even outperform a placebo, similar to all other major studies with Ivermectin.

Now I’m not saying that Metformin is a magic pill, it even seems likely that all it’s effects just address some things related to prediabetic risks present in overweight people, or even PICS like effects, but it isn’t always the bad western medicine preventing superior and cheap products from getting to the market using some conspiracy scheme. Or are people saying these trials were conducted so that people stop using Ivermectin and instead use the equally cheap Metformin?

What I do remember is that almost all Ivermectin studies had to be amended or retracted, often because they failed to report that the entire thing was sponsored by the largest ivermectin manufacturer in the region.

It's odd how some ME patients want the medical establishment to believe us (the patient) but then when something becomes political, they suddenly switch sides.

I think that's what we all want. I just don't think the scientific community will believe us if we believe and continuously spread unscientific conspiracy theories. IMO that certainly doesn't do us any good and makes us no different to the whole BPS crowd.

Just about everything here that anyone has ever tried has been based on patient anecdotal testimony. Just seems odd to me that we won't believe the patients in cases like this as well.

I'm actually yet to meet a credible source who says or believes that Ivermectin helped them. I've certainly not heard anybody in Peru, which has the highest death rate of any country, benefit from it.

 

[hapl808]

As someone who did some data analysis for Covid, there are no easy answers or comparisons. This makes all these discussions quite difficult. Any time someone gives an easy heuristic - whether it aligns with your preconceptions or not - you should question it.

Death rates were affected by so many things. Percentage of population over 70, testing prevalence and accuracy, CoD policies, variants, treatment strategies, and on and on.

Excess deaths are more reliable, but far from a truly reliable metric. Because excess compared to what? If they freeze the comparison to an average of 2015-2019, that seems better (although some countries have bigger fluctuations for various reasons) - but over time that might overestimate excess deaths because as populations increase, you would expect deaths to increase. However, when public health starts to impute their own 'baseline' deaths, you could see the excess numbers start to drop even though they're actually increasing (I believe the CDC has started doing that in 2023).

Pandemic numbers are wildly difficult to compare because there are always 20-30 factors involved. Age is probably the biggest factor, so that alone can have an outsized impact. Around 16% of Italy's population is over the age of 70. Kenya has 2% of the population over the age of 70. One might expect Kenya to have better numbers than Italy even if they treated or vaccinated nobody.

In short, it's all worth considering and investigating, but I hesitate at drawing any firm conclusions.