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as a general warning on how far corruption and ego can go, just because you have a PhD, doesn't mean you know automatically jack squat or are actually able to operate in the field, so yeah, always check folks' work and ethics. Most people are honest and their work valid...but there's always ratbags, in ANY field.
A PhD or whatever, is just a statement of as it were, completing "basic training", real work tends ot comes afterward ya leave Uni
(with the exception of some serious research and creative works, some folk earn their PhDs or BSCs etc, with damn hard and long, or amazing, effort)
in this case his work was on constitutional and historical stuff about Eurpe/USA.
But lot of science/medical researchers over the years have been shown to be frauds, egotistical maniacs or just plain old decent folk with issues that overwhelm them, too.
I love science, but it's not some damn Ivory Tower of Perfection, built by lot of hard mostly very boring work of great patience, and constantly gets worked on, with a few bad bits removed, lots of erroneous bits updated etc.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-12608083
A PhD or whatever, is just a statement of as it were, completing "basic training", real work tends ot comes afterward ya leave Uni
(with the exception of some serious research and creative works, some folk earn their PhDs or BSCs etc, with damn hard and long, or amazing, effort)
in this case his work was on constitutional and historical stuff about Eurpe/USA.
But lot of science/medical researchers over the years have been shown to be frauds, egotistical maniacs or just plain old decent folk with issues that overwhelm them, too.
I love science, but it's not some damn Ivory Tower of Perfection, built by lot of hard mostly very boring work of great patience, and constantly gets worked on, with a few bad bits removed, lots of erroneous bits updated etc.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-12608083
1 March 2011 Last updated at 13:28 S
German Defence Minister Guttenberg resigns over thesis
Mr Guttenberg said he was not able to defend himself any further
German Defence Minister Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg has stepped down after he was found to have copied large parts of his 2006 university doctorate thesis.
Mr Guttenberg, considered until recently a possible candidate for chancellor, has already been stripped of his PhD.
He told a news conference that it was "the most painful step of my life".
Tens of thousands of German academics have written to Chancellor Angela Merkel complaining about his conduct.
The plagiarism scandal led to him being nicknamed Baron Cut-and-Paste, Zu Copyberg and Zu Googleberg by the German media.
But Ms Merkel had continued to stand by him, with her party facing three state elections later this month.
Mr Guttenberg told reporters in Berlin that he was relinquishing all his political offices and he thanked the chancellor for her support, trust and understanding.
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Analysis
Stephen Evans
BBC News, Berlin
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The defence minister had been under intense pressure after it was revealed that half the pages in his doctoral dissertation mirrored word for word the work of others.
He said it was a mistake but there was widespread scepticism. Chancellor Angela Merkel was also being criticised for standing by him.
She had, she said, taken him on as a defence minister and not as a research assistant.
But her loyalty was tested when people not in the opposition questioned how he could stand in front of troops for whom he was responsible and lecture them on matters of honesty, particularly after the university that had awarded him the doctorate stripped him of it.
Mrs Merkel stood by him and now sees her efforts come to nothing.
According to Konrad Jarausch, a political scientist at the Free University in Berlin: "It's bad for Merkel and she stuck with him far too long."
Germany's Baron without a title
"I must agree with my enemies who say that I was not appointed minister for self-defence, but defence minister," he said.
"I was always ready to fight, but have to admit I have reached the limit of my strength."
A 39-year-old aristocrat popular with the electorate, Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg is a member of the Christian Social Union (CSU), the Bavarian sister party of the chancellor's Christian Democrats.
He came under pressure after a Bremen University law professor began reviewing his 2006 thesis with the aid of the internet.
Reports emerged of a passage from a newspaper article that featured word for word, and then of a paragraph from the US embassy website being used without attribution.
Analysts then estimated that more than half the 475-page thesis had long sections lifted from other people's work.
Eventually the University of Bayreuth, which had awarded him a doctorate, decided that Mr Guttenberg had "violated scientific duties to a considerable extent".
He had already prompted opposition criticism in December for taking his TV presenter wife on a visit to German troops in Afghanistan complete with a large corps of press photographers.
Angela Merkel been accused of mistakenly standing by Mr Guttenberg As his popularity began to wane Mr Guttenberg's political allies began to desert him. Parliamentary Speaker Norbert Lammert spoke of his actions as "a nail in the coffin for confidence in democracy".
For the opposition Social Democrats, Wolfgang Thierse, vice-president of the lower house of parliament, the Bundestag, said Chancellor Merkel had been wrong to assume that what her defence minister had done as a private individual had no bearing on his position as minister.
By Tuesday the newspaper Die Welt reported that the number of academics who had signed the letter objecting to his continued role in the government had climbed to 51,500.
One of the most blistering comments came from law professor Oliver Lepsius, who succeeded his doctoral supervisor at Bayreuth.
"We have been taken by a fraud. His brazenness in deceiving honourable university personnel was unique," he wrote.