Sublinguals and tooth enamel

[Lena9701]

Do we know what's going on with sublingual and tooth enamel? I've been using 2 sublingual B12 products in the upper gum method for several months.

I recently developed sensitivity near a spot I was using more often. Switched to lower gum and it doesn't seem to be going away. Neither product contains citric acid, although it's possible they are acidic I suppose. I don't have pH strips.

They've been helping so much, I want to keep using them but I'm worried about harming my teeth. I would love to hear other's experiences. Are you able to use sublinguals without tooth sensitivity? If you did develop it, how did that go?

Any suggestions for remineralizing teeth would also be appreciated.

(the specific products are 1 Anabol Naturals Dibencoplex with fillers mannitol, natural flavor, silica and magnesium stearate and 2 Klaire Labs active B12 folate with fillers mannitol, vegetable stearine, silicon dioxide, croscarmellose sodium and stearic acid).

 

[Florida Guy]

Can you see anything in the mirror of the spot on the tooth that hurts? Its highly unlikely that it ate through the enamel especially since its meant to be sublingual. It could be that it is bothering your gum in that area. Its hard to know exactly where discomfort is coming from sometimes. Moving it around sounds like a good idea. There are products on the market to help gum discomfort or maybe using a different brand would help?

For remineralizing teeth, I've heard of it happening, there was a product someone said worked for that. I can't recall, it might have been inositol but I don't remember. People make a solution of it and hold it in their mouth for some time each day. I don't know much about it, sorry

 

[Lena9701]

Thank you

The most affected tooth does seem to have a yellowish patch on it? Do you know what it would look like if I did damage the enamel?

 

[Florida Guy]

The most affected tooth does seem to have a yellowish patch on it? Do you know what it would look like if I did damage the enamel?

I'm not a dentist but it sounds like just a stain. Lots of compounds can leave a stain on the teeth. Most likely it will go away with time. When you see your dentist he will give a professional opinion. Perhaps placing the tabs in a different spot each time will help? Something in it may be irritating your gum

 

[Hip]

Any suggestions for remineralizing teeth would also be appreciated.

I developed multiple tooth sensitivity after using a B12 sublingual product with a citric acid preservative for several weeks. I was concerned this sensitivity might not resolve, so I started researching the tooth remineralisation process.

The enamel of teeth is a mineral called hydroxylapatite. Saliva contains calcium, phosphate, and hydroxyl ions, and these bond together to form hydroxylapatite (under alkaline conditions). So your teeth are constantly being remineralised by the action of the saliva.

If you have any calcium and phosphate supplements handy, you could crush these into power and rub on your teeth before bed, along with a pinch of sodium bicarbonate to provide the alkaline conditions and the hydroxyl ions.

Alternatively, or in addition, you could gargle with a strong dental fluoride solution before bed. This will help create tooth enamel out of fluorapatite, which is stronger and more resistant to acid attack than hydroxylapatite (this is why fluoride toothpastes help build stronger teeth).

I followed this approach, and with a week or two, the tooth sensitivity was resolved.

More info in this post.


By the way, to avoid such issues in future, you can look into the transdermal B12 oils created by Dr Greg Russell-Jones. Using a special skin permeation enhancer, these oils when rubbed on the skin are equivalent to an injection, but without needing to use needles and syringes.

Just one application of this oil (it costs about $1 per dose) will probably get more B12 into your body that weeks of daily sublingual B12

 

[junkcrap50]

Nano-hydroxyapatite toothpaste will also remineralize your enamel and is equal to or possibly better than fluoride.

 

[Wayne]

Any suggestions for remineralizing teeth would also be appreciated.

Hi @Lena9701 -- I recently did a post on how good ozone is for remineralizing teeth. -- Ozone Therapy I myself have purchased a product called PurO3 Ozonated Hemp Oil Capsules. You can take the capsules internally to get ozone inside the body, or you can split a softgel and just put the oil in your mouth. It works GREAT for minimizing or eliminating oral infections besides remineralizing the teeth.

People make a solution of it and hold it in their mouth for some time each day.

I do this a lot, especially when I get any kind of sensitivity in my teeth or gums. I often use bentonite clay and wheatgrass powder, both of which are highly touted on YouTube videos for remineralizing teeth. I also use charcoal, coconut oil, Vitamin C, and others. I DON'T mix ozone with Vitamin C, as ozone is pro-oxidant, and Vit. C is antioxidant, so they would kind of cancel either other out if used simultaneously.

None of the things I use are toxic, which fluoride has been shown to be. I have no opinion on whether a minimal amount of fluoride can safely be used.

 

[Byles]

I prefer having it undery tongue and avoiding direct contact with my teeth for the same reason.

Also the silica included is beneficial for your enamel

 

[linusbert]

you can eat a natural yoghurt or a slice of pure cheese without flavors and sugars, i use it to neutralize acidity in my mouth.
for example if i do vinegard , i directly after swish around a bit with water and then eat those yoghurts or cheese.
it also feels good to the teeth.

the protein in food is used to regenerate a barrier on your teeth which protects you from acidity. the enamel isnt the only thing. pellicle i think its called.

btw, you can use the yoghurt also to consume acidic thinks like vinegar, you just mix it together and let it stay a few minutes before you eat.

as hip and others said, hydroxilapatite is natural substance used for teeth. you can use it as tooth paste or as supplement. there is nano- and non nano. the nano is artificially made and often used in those tooth pastes and then there is a extract from bones.
indirectly having enough citrates in your body might help too. like magnesium citrate. it goes in your body, and then ends up in your saliva, so your saliva does neutralize the acidity. saliva is both, neutralizer as well as medium to bring those nutrition like calcium , magnesium, phosphor to your enamel.
i think hydroxylapatite has all of those minerals in it.

and of course, vitamin D and vitamin k2 (i prefer mk4 form) is necessary for calcium transport to the right places.
i had this idea of mixing a few drops of vitamin D and k2 oil which often is based on mct oil on my toost paste and scrub my teeth. i do not know if this does have any effect, but i like the idea somehow.

 

[L'engle]

Don't ignore it. The additives in b12 can be absolutely horrendous for your teeth. If you wait till its visible it could be too late. I have holes in the enamel around the gumline on several of my upper teeth and a few lower ones. This will probably shorten the lifespan of several teeth. I dissolved b12 in my mouth for two years and seem to think I was doing ok with it, then realized how bad it was getting. Not sure what I was thinking back then, but probably that it was no big deal compared to the benefits of taking b12. The sensitivity ended after some time but the staining and thinned enamel is still visible no matter how much remineralizing toothpaste and calcium rich foods I use now.

Acidic additives might hurt your gums but sugar additives can hurt your teeth without ever making your gums sore.

Most brands seem to have some kind of sugar or acid, which is just terrible, but the average person won't dissolve a bland vitamin because everybody is addicted to sugar. Even emailed the brand I used to get and they said people prefer them with sugar. But most people aren't trying to get a high dose and only dissolve the lozenges for a few minutes.

Bulk supplements has a b12 without any acidic or sugary additives. Just calcium diphosphate.

FYI if you are following the late Freddd's b12 protocol, he never had this problem because he was already missing his upper teeth when he discovered high dose b12.

Another FYI if you have enough lithium in your system you likely shouldn't need to keep taking high dose b12.

Once your teeth are ruined you can't unruin them

 

[kushami]

Nano-hydroxyapatite toothpaste will also remineralize your enamel and is equal to or possibly better than fluoride.

I asked a friend to get me a tube of this toothpaste when she was visiting family in Japan. I’m hoping it will help my teeth, which are struggling a bit lately. Feel quite excited to try it!

 

[Lena9701]

Thank you so much everyone, there is so much helpful information here!

I have a lot to look into lol, but to start does anyone have a brand suggestion for hydroxyapatite toothpaste?

 

[linusbert]

Thank you so much everyone, there is so much helpful information here!

I have a lot to look into lol, but to start does anyone have a brand suggestion for hydroxyapatite toothpaste?

there is this japanese company, apadent or so. i tried the mouth wash, it was ok, to the child toothpaste which has the least ingredients i was allergic.