Poll: how many of you have chronic/frequent episodes of depersonalzation/derealization?

Do you have depersonalization and/or derealization?

  • Chronic

    Votes: 3 23.1%
  • Frequently + related/associated to PEM

    Votes: 1 7.7%
  • From time to time

    Votes: 5 38.5%
  • Never/ extremely rare

    Votes: 4 30.8%

  • Total voters
    13

alcasa

Glutamate +ATP pantheist
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Hi everyone,

I’m running low on executive function, so I’ll try to be as practical and to the point as possible. I theorise that perhaps a third to half of CFS might stem from issues related to glutamate uptake, the brain's pumps mechanisms, and overall energy metabolism. If these processes start to malfunction particularly in the prefrontal cortex, it could lead to depersonalisation and derealisation.

Derealisation, which I believe to be the more common issue, is marked by a sense of disconnection from one’s surroundings. The world feels dreamlike, unreal, as though you're watching a film. You might feel emotionally detached from others and from the world around you.

One description I’ve come across, which I think captures it well, is that it feels like there’s something between your eyes and reality. It’s as if you're observing everything – people included – through a telescope, and it all seems artificial, like a dream:
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While derealisation is the experience of feeling disconnected from your environment, depersonalisation is a disconnection from oneself – body, mind, and thoughts, often accompanied by physical and emotional numbness.

I’ve suffered from chronic derealisation since the onset of my CFS, but I’ve never experienced depersonalisation.

I need to know if I’m alone in this. I’m quite convinced my condition is driven by excessive CNS excitation and an inability to maintain the gradient necessary for sustained excitation, most likely due to a collapse in glutamate uptake, along with the excessive excitation itself. However, I’d like to know if this is common in CFS, or if I’ve just got a particularly unique subtype that can’t be generalised to others, which would be very sad...
 

Wishful

Senior Member
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a particularly unique subtype that can’t be generalised to others
My (vague) theory of ME is that it affects specific areas of the brain, and those areas vary between individuals. So, one person experiences hypersensitivity to sound, while another experiences muscle aches, another digestive problems, and someone else experiences derealisation. If true, it does make it hard to generalize.

Just think how much worse this disease would be if those symptoms shifted around frequently.
 

alcasa

Glutamate +ATP pantheist
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My (vague) theory of ME is that it affects specific areas of the brain, and those areas vary between individuals. So, one person experiences hypersensitivity to sound, while another experiences muscle aches, another digestive problems, and someone else experiences derealisation. If true, it does make it hard to generalize.

Just think how much worse this disease would be if those symptoms shifted around frequently.
I agree on the multiple brain sites, but disagree on the vagus nerve theory
 

Hufsamor

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I’m not sure, but my impression is that this is not uncommon in me/cfs, but more common between the longcovid cases
 

bad1080

Senior Member
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i found a probiotic (as broad as possible = the more strains the better) helpful when i experience depersonalization/derealization
 
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