Is this particular severe fatigue due to the pathogen or my immune system's response to it?

Violeta

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So many times you will see people saying things helped for a while and then have an adverse effect. It will be interesting to see how your experiment with the baking soda goes.

The brand of Red Korean Ginseng that helps me with energy is Prince of Peace. It's actually red. Most brands of Red Korean Ginseng are usually white, (weird) and the roots are white, but there's a special process that makes it actually red, and that process makes it more active. The studies that I've read about red korean ginseng even say that it has to be the stuff that looks red to get the effect in the study. I have bought it from Bulk supplements, thinking I was saving money, and it's white. I using that up in the morning with some ginkgo, and the combination does help clear up the morning headachey sick feeling, but it doesn't help with energy. I have to take 2 capsules of the Prince of Peace brand a day for energy.

@Manuel says ginseng helps with cortisol levels, too, so I don't know if it's that atribute or the reduction of IL-6. My daughter, who has been having energy problems since having COVID started taking the ginseng, too, and finds that it's helping her. I wonder if Siberian ginseng helps with cortisol levels, too.

I can't figure out a good way to say this right now, but is the IL-6 issue because of a pathogen, and the pathogen needs to be dealt with? I asked Janet Dafoe on twitter if she would ask someone about IL-6/fatigue at the private conference she attended, but I never heard back from her.

All those researchers working on this, and here we are, trying like crazy to figure out how to stay above water level, all the while dealing with exhaustion.

Thank you, I am feeling better. 🤞
 

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I tried the baking soda alone, it somehow made me more fatigued and spiked my anxiety a bit. Digestive system was also a wreck for the rest of the day, I also didn't get much in the way of burping so that possibly means I have less stomach acid than I should. I was considering giving ginseng a go but I believe it's in the family of ginger and I come from that PFs/PSSD/post-whatever bubble and since then I been a bit scard to touch anything related to ginger. Right now though I'm looking to largely tackle the energy problem and then when I have that stablized go at the brain inflammation crap sphere of symptoms which propolis for me keeps more mildly under control with my cistus + green tea combo in the evening. Enough to at least function, I also noticed things that reduce it also tend to tank my energy levels as a consequence like for example when I tried the birch bark it greatly relieved the inflamed brain feeling but also completely tanked me energy wise which stayed zombie like tanked until I found the weird methyl-b12 boost loophole to my situation which pushed it back up (currently stable at 3000 mcg now with no negatives as of today).
 

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Yesterday I had the best day, energy-wise, I've had in a long time. I am now convinced that the baking soda was causing ongoing fatigue, though it wasn't related to the initial severe fatigue which accompanied post-crash sinus infections, because I wasn't taking baking soda when that first hit. I am still taking the astragalus when I get sniffly (together with andrographis and grapefruit seed extract) and I think this is keeping the initial severe fatigue at bay, perhaps due to the IL-6 connection. This gets complicated!

A few days ago I also restarted Cellfood, which helped me a lot with energy when I first took it (https://forums.phoenixrising.me/thr...ted-thyroid-now-helping-stroke-patient.79531/) and sure enough, I'm having the same result - more energy, lips got redder. But I'm being very careful because as I said somewhere, anything that helps me with energy almost always ends up causing insomnia. But I think the Cellfood is part of the reason I had such a good day yesterday. I'm crashed today of course, but yesterday I was able to do things I haven't been able to do for awhile.

I feel extremely fortunate that I was able to get my energy back! It's been a long exhausting summer . . .
 

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Yesterday I had the best day, energy-wise, I've had in a long time. I am now convinced that the baking soda was causing ongoing fatigue, though it wasn't related to the initial severe fatigue which accompanied post-crash sinus infections, because I wasn't taking baking soda when that first hit. I am still taking the astragalus when I get sniffly (together with andrographis and grapefruit seed extract) and I think this is keeping the initial severe fatigue at bay, perhaps due to the IL-6 connection. This gets complicated!

A few days ago I also restarted Cellfood, which helped me a lot with energy when I first took it (https://forums.phoenixrising.me/thr...ted-thyroid-now-helping-stroke-patient.79531/) and sure enough, I'm having the same result - more energy, lips got redder. But I'm being very careful because as I said somewhere, anything that helps me with energy almost always ends up causing insomnia. But I think the Cellfood is part of the reason I had such a good day yesterday. I'm crashed today of course, but yesterday I was able to do things I haven't been able to do for awhile.

I feel extremely fortunate that I was able to get my energy back! It's been a long exhausting summer . . .
@Mary, are you still taking Cellfood? I'm back to thinking about hypoxia.
 
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@Mary, are you still taking Cellfood? I'm back to thinking about hypoxia.

Hi @Violeta - I am taking Cellfood right now. I just recently restarted it about a month ago as I had stopped it for some time after last September. It seems to help for awhile and then stop helping. However, this latest go-round which I started about a month ago has not seemed to give me the boost in energy it did previous times. However, I still think it's worth a try for others. It noticeably helped me a lot on a couple of different occasions. But I don't know why I'm not getting the same result this time . . .
 

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Hi @Violeta - I am taking Cellfood right now. I just recently restarted it about a month ago as I had stopped it for some time after last September. It seems to help for awhile and then stop helping. However, this latest go-round which I started about a month ago has not seemed to give me the boost in energy it did previous times. However, I still think it's worth a try for others. It noticeably helped me a lot on a couple of different occasions. But I don't know why I'm not getting the same result this time . . .
Thank you, Mary. It is weird how something will work and then not work for us.

I stumbled onto something about bupleurum being helpful for hypoxia through its effect on HIf-1a, so I think I will try that first.

I don't completely understand what type of effect one should look for in something that affects HIf-1a, but I don't think bupleurum would have any negative effect.
 

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@Violeta - I've never heard of bupleurum before - keep us posted how it goes if you try it!
I will.
I first read about bupleurum at Sensiblehealth.com. They have it in a formula called Chinese BItters.

Julia Chang's remedies and advice are the first things that helped me get out of the pit. That was way back almost 30 years ago. The tincture form of the herbs was very hard on my stomach, though. And shipping from Canada was very expensive. So, as with so many things along the way, I just dropped it.

Right now I have the powder form. I started giving it to my husband 3 days ago for his glaucoma. The second day he asked me for more of it (shock), said it helped. I didn't ask for details about how it helped (he has other issues), but when he gets home I'm going to find out if it already helped his vision.

For me, it takes a little longer for benefits to show up.

Here's the study about it benefitting glaucoma.

Efficacy of bioactive compounds of Chaihu (Radix Bupleuri Chinensis) on glaucomatous optic atrophy through interleukin-6/hypoxia inducible factor-1α signal pathway​


https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articl...ayed an important role as neovascular factors
 
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