@Gondwanaland and @ahmo, what kind of symptoms do you get from lactobacilli? Is it the d-lactate / lactic acid? Histamine? Acidosis?
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I get acidosis (even panic attacks) from acidophilus and night sweats from casei and paracasei.@Gondwanaland and @ahmo, what kind of symptoms do you get from lactobacilli? Is it the d-lactate / lactic acid? Histamine? Acidosis?
Unbelievable. I took rhamnosus lysate powder capsules thinking it was a probiotic.
Two hours later I felt human again. I don't really know what else to say. Anyone else tried this? Give it a go.
It seems that the name of the ingredient in this Allergy Research Russian choice rhamnosus lysate powder supplement is Lactobacillus rhamnosus cell lysate, which is composed of peptides derived from the cell wall of Lactobacillus rhamnosus bacteria.
Another brand of the same product is Del-Immune V, and on their website I found the following text:
Some research papers on Del-Immune V are found here.
Some excerpts from these research papers are as follows:
➤ Research paper: Del-Immune V Profile.
Note that several of the cytokines Del-Immune V stimulates (the ones I put in bold) are the Th1 cytokines, which of course are desirable for ME/CFS, as ME/CFS patients need to boost their Th1 cytokines in order to get better.
Just a quick reminder:
Th1 cytokines are: IL-2, IL-12, IFN-γ
Th2 cytokines are: IL-4, IL-10
➤ Research paper: Study of Interferonogenous Activity of the New Probiotic Formulation Del-Immune V (A better pdf version of this document can be found here.)
This study found that Del-Immune V Lactobacillus rhamnosus lysate induces interferon alpha and interferon gamma.
But although Del-Immune V induced higher levels of interferon than Bifidobacterium bifidum bacteria, presumably a Bifidobacterium bifidum probiotic might be almost as good as Del-Immune V?
➤ Analysis: An Analytical Comparison of Del-Immune V® and Russian Choice Immune
The conclusion here is that there are some important differences between these two Lactobacillus rhamnosus cell lysate supplements:
• Del-Immune V contained at least three times more protein than Russian Choice Immune.
• Del-Immune V contained more than 100 times the DNA than the Russian Choice Immune capsules.
More info regarding the comparison of the two products: Russian Choice Immune vs Del-Immune V is found here.
I also found this study: Lactobacillus rhamnosus cell lysate in the management of resistant childhood atopic eczema.
This study found that Lactobacillus rhamnosus cell lysate provides a substantial improvement in eczema skin symptoms.
I'll need to keep on taking it to get any benefits with no chance of creating a colony of bacteria?
Am I reading that right?