Fats and diet.

gregh286

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hi,
i just want to write somethings about metabolic factors that i notice that may help people in due course.

I believe my CFS is and was caused by inhibition of phosphofructokinase from excess alcohol, this is a key enzyme in the control of
glycolysis.
https://www.hindawi.com/journals/bri/2013/495135/

As I in mild category now, I can walk over 6 miles with little PEM, I get some lactic build up, but I can pass its quickly with sauna and baths.
Nonetheless, as I noticed last few weeks, even small amount of carb 10-15g will rise the HR by 50% during golf. 70 - 100/105 bpm.
Last 2 times I only ate cheese, HR never budged from 70-75 BPM, and I never felt any lactate build up at all. But by this time I had'nt ate
anything for 17 hours, so likely body has spent nearly all short term glucose.
Even I notice HR rising with nuts, avocado, etc, which are 10%+ carbs, so not all fats created equal. It seems body very sensitive to carb under
exercise. Less so in my case when sitting around.

I also believe high doses of lemons and apple cider vinegar are stimulating this phoso enzyme, also there are some members who seen this benefit, even grapefruit which this citrus acid also helping stimulate the kreb cycle.

Also, as day progresses, body has more ability to burn carbs, morning is out, evening is more tolerable. I think that why we improve marginally during day.
Just one individuals experience with this crazy carry on.

The pfk1 enzyme also gets inhibited by aerobic activity driving a vicious cycle and go some way to explain how exceptional athletes also get ME.
PFK1 is also inhibited by low pH levels which augment the inhibitory effect of ATP. The pH falls when muscle is functioning anaerobically and producing excessive quantities of lactic acid(although lactic acid is not itself the cause of the decrease in pH[11]). This inhibitory effect serves to protect the muscle from damage that would result from the accumulation of too much acid.[2]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphofructokinase_1#cite_note-11

Notice also how serotonin activates pfk1 also....
 
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sb4

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Also, as day progresses, body has more ability to burn carbs, morning is out, evening is more tolerable. I think that why we improve marginally during day.
That's interesting, I used to eat any carbs in the morning for circadian rhythm purposes. I do notice I feel best in the day around 7-9pm so perhaps my carb tolerance will improve in this window also.
 

gregh286

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Yes for definite. When body is waken over 12 hours it will take the carbs without spiking HR.
First thing in morning will drive it bananas.
Well documented that circadian rhythm in in effect in metabolic pathways.
Feeling better after 7 as body starting to enter glycolysis.
From my side....I need to eat nothing or fats only till evening. Very simple management process. This keeps lactate to almost zero and eliminates neuropathy....tingling and a shed load of other s!@t associated with cell damage from lactic.

https://www.pnas.org/content/114/7/1572
 

ebethc

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very interesting; thanks for posting. I'm sensitive to carbs and have been experimenting w low carb / high-ish fat this year after reading about a high-fat diet for multiple sclerosis:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4709725/
16. Conclusion
The ketogenic diet has the potential to treat the neurodegenerative component of progressive MS on the basis of the following observations obtained from in vitro and in vivo studies,

  1. Neurodegeneration is thought to underlie the pathogenesis of progressive MS.
  2. Mitochondrial dysfunction may result in reduced ATP availability. This may promote axonal atrophy, leading to degeneration. There is evidence of mitochondrial dysfunction within “normal appearing” grey matter and mitochondrial function appears to correlate with axonal survival.
  3. According to in vitro and animal studies, the ketogenic diet increases ATP production, promotes mitochondrial biogenesis, and bypasses dysfunctional steps within the mitochondrial bioenergetic process, increases antioxidant levels and reduces oxidative damage. Since an increase in ATP and overall improvement in mitochondrial functioning correlates with axonal survival, the ketogenic diet may offer a therapeutic benefit for the neurodegenerative component of MS.

the recommended fat macro for MS (according to what I read) back in January is ~70%. This is way too high for me, so I've made some adjustment to macros, and experimented w types of fat...

Keep us posted! interesting thread..
 

ebethc

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@gregh286

I shoot for <30g of carbs per day... If you're targeting <10-15g per day, are you eating any veggies? how do you get enough fiber?
 
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