Bouncing Brain

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BIOLOGICAL ROOT CAUSE?
You're a very knowledgeable lot on here!
I'm about to describe an extreme neurological disruption (not for sympathy or to compare experiences-I've been ill for decades so I'm past that) its more that I'd like your opinions on the possible likely biological cause so I can hopefully try and help it. It feels related to cerebal blood flow/brain blood vessels maybe? There are three parts
  1. The feeling of severe brain movement-like its vigorously bouncing like a ball (more extreme than a headache)
  2. Faintness and dizziness
  3. Literally no mental actiivity-nothing happening at all-no thoughts arising
It has the usual ME triggers ie orthostatic intolerance, information overload, physical exertion, reactions to chemicals, heat, fluorescent lighting etc.
Thank you
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Wayne

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BIOLOGICAL ROOT CAUSE?

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Here’s an analysis of your forum post and some possible biological causes to consider:

Main Symptoms:
✅ Severe brain movement feeling (like bouncing)
✅ Faintness/dizziness
✅ Complete cognitive blankness
Key ME/CFS Triggers:
– Orthostatic intolerance
– Exertion
– Sensory overload (light, noise)
– Heat and chemical triggers

1️⃣ Potential Brain Blood Flow / Vascular Mechanisms
Your symptoms point to dysregulation of cerebral blood flow (CBF), which is well documented in ME/CFS. In particular:
  • Orthostatic Intolerance (OI):
    • When upright, cerebral hypoperfusion (reduced blood flow to the brain) can cause dizziness and cognitive shutdown.
    • Conditions like POTS (Postural Orthostatic Tachycardia Syndrome) or NMH (Neurally Mediated Hypotension) are common in ME/CFS and involve brain blood flow drops.
  • Vasoconstriction / Vasodilation issues:
    • Autonomic nervous system dysfunction (often seen in ME/CFS) can lead to improper vessel constriction/dilation, causing that "bouncing" sensation or head pressure.

2️⃣ Neuroinflammation and Brain Metabolic Shutdown
  • The lack of mental activity might be a transient hypo-metabolic state in the brain, linked to:
    • Neuroinflammation (e.g., glial activation, cytokines like IL-6 or TNF-α), which can blunt neuronal activity.
    • Oxidative stress and impaired mitochondrial function, reducing energy available to neurons.
    • Hypocapnia (low CO₂) from hyperventilation (common in ME/CFS, especially during OI episodes) can also reduce cerebral blood flow.

3️⃣ Possible Migraine / Spreading Depression Links
  • The “bouncing brain” and cognitive shutdown may resemble cortical spreading depression seen in migraine aura—transient waves of reduced brain activity and altered blood flow.
  • ME/CFS patients often have migraine-like phenomena without headache, driven by abnormal autonomic tone and metabolic factors.

4️⃣ Structural / Mechanical contributors
  • Some with ME/CFS have cervical spine or cranial instability (e.g., Craniocervical Instability, Chiari-like issues) that can impair brainstem blood flow or CSF dynamics.
  • Jugular vein compression or thoracic outlet syndrome can reduce venous drainage from the brain, worsening head congestion sensations.

5️⃣ Possible Approaches for Investigation or Relief
✅ Tilt Table Test or active stand test – Check for OI or POTS.
✅ Neurovascular ultrasound or MRI – Check blood flow and structural issues (in some cases, e.g., CCI).
✅ Breathing exercises (slow nasal breathing) – Improve CO₂ and stabilize CBF.
✅ Light exercise in supine position – To gently improve circulation without worsening symptoms.
✅ Vasodilatory agents (carefully!) – Some find L-arginine, low-dose theobromine or niacin helpful, but proceed cautiously.
✅ Neuroinflammation modulation – Antioxidants like CoQ10, curcumin, omega-3s, or mast cell stabilizers (if histamine/MCAS suspected).

Summary
Your “bouncing brain” + faintness + cognitive shutdown sounds like a blood flow crash, triggered by stressors that unmask underlying autonomic and neurovascular dysregulation (common in ME/CFS). While exact causes vary, working on stabilizing blood flow (tilt table testing, gentle vasodilation, careful mechanical/postural management) may be a productive direction.
Would you like me to draft questions you could ask your doctor about testing for these mechanisms (like OI, jugular flow, or structural issues)? Let me know!
 

Rufous McKinney

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after a blow to the head
people with traumatic brain injury are now showing up in some of the studies on us. Progress..

Recently, a friend of my daughter's experienced a fall and brain injury. It's entirely possible something was going on which caused the fall. I have not been able to talk to her, but I really want to.

She has been unable to recover her ability to Paint. She is a working artist and college professor, and she can't paint. And she does abstract type work.

I entirely understand. The paints, the paper, the brushes, are all on the table. IT took two years to get them onto the table, and its a month later and I simply glance over there and decide I don't feel like crashing.

I've crashed EVERY time I hold a pen or brush.
 
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