"A serotonin deficiency for depression has not been found"

Zebra

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Maybe.

In my personal experience adding 15 mg of Celexa, an SSRI, to 300 mg of Wellbutrin XL was a life-saving combo for Major Depressive Disorder (many years before my ME/CFS came along).
 

Artemisia

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Maybe.

In my personal experience adding 15 mg of Celexa, an SSRI, to 300 mg of Wellbutrin XL was a life-saving combo for Major Depressive Disorder (many years before my ME/CFS came along).
It may be that those drugs are working from a different mechanism of action than increasing serotonin. At the very least it's more complicated than what people say.
 

BrightCandle

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Very few findings 20 years old in Psychology have survived. Most fail at the first attempt to replicate them, some of them are determined to be various forms of scientific fraud or misuse of statistics. Its not a surprise given the way they work is to choose what the problem is, run studies that confirm it over and over and just keep piling junk on top of junk. They don't do real science, they aren't really investigating the brain or even human behaviour, they are making stuff up and then making experiments that show what they want it to show, often involving fabricating the data.

Its no wonder in this environment anything they say about psychiatric conditions and the cause of them is then found to be nonsense, because it was just made up to begin with.
 

bad1080

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from 2022 but maybe a better source than facebook:

The serotonin theory of depression: a systematic umbrella review of the evidence​

Abstract​

The serotonin hypothesis of depression is still influential. We aimed to synthesise and evaluate evidence on whether depression is associated with lowered serotonin concentration or activity in a systematic umbrella review of the principal relevant areas of research. PubMed, EMBASE and PsycINFO were searched using terms appropriate to each area of research, from their inception until December 2020. Systematic reviews, meta-analyses and large data-set analyses in the following areas were identified: serotonin and serotonin metabolite, 5-HIAA, concentrations in body fluids; serotonin 5-HT1A receptor binding; serotonin transporter (SERT) levels measured by imaging or at post-mortem; tryptophan depletion studies; SERT gene associations and SERT gene-environment interactions. Studies of depression associated with physical conditions and specific subtypes of depression (e.g. bipolar depression) were excluded. Two independent reviewers extracted the data and assessed the quality of included studies using the AMSTAR-2, an adapted AMSTAR-2, or the STREGA for a large genetic study. The certainty of study results was assessed using a modified version of the GRADE. We did not synthesise results of individual meta-analyses because they included overlapping studies. The review was registered with PROSPERO (CRD42020207203). 17 studies were included: 12 systematic reviews and meta-analyses, 1 collaborative meta-analysis, 1 meta-analysis of large cohort studies, 1 systematic review and narrative synthesis, 1 genetic association study and 1 umbrella review. Quality of reviews was variable with some genetic studies of high quality. Two meta-analyses of overlapping studies examining the serotonin metabolite, 5-HIAA, showed no association with depression (largest n = 1002). One meta-analysis of cohort studies of plasma serotonin showed no relationship with depression, and evidence that lowered serotonin concentration was associated with antidepressant use (n = 1869). Two meta-analyses of overlapping studies examining the 5-HT1A receptor (largest n = 561), and three meta-analyses of overlapping studies examining SERT binding (largest n = 1845) showed weak and inconsistent evidence of reduced binding in some areas, which would be consistent with increased synaptic availability of serotonin in people with depression, if this was the original, causal abnormaly. However, effects of prior antidepressant use were not reliably excluded. One meta-analysis of tryptophan depletion studies found no effect in most healthy volunteers (n = 566), but weak evidence of an effect in those with a family history of depression (n = 75). Another systematic review (n = 342) and a sample of ten subsequent studies (n = 407) found no effect in volunteers. No systematic review of tryptophan depletion studies has been performed since 2007. The two largest and highest quality studies of the SERT gene, one genetic association study (n = 115,257) and one collaborative meta-analysis (n = 43,165), revealed no evidence of an association with depression, or of an interaction between genotype, stress and depression. The main areas of serotonin research provide no consistent evidence of there being an association between serotonin and depression, and no support for the hypothesis that depression is caused by lowered serotonin activity or concentrations. Some evidence was consistent with the possibility that long-term antidepressant use reduces serotonin concentration.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41380-022-01661-0
 
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