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Neuroinflammation in Patients with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome/Myalgic Encephalomyelitis

beaker

ME/cfs 1986
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773
Location
USA
ANYWAY I started tinidazole+doxycycline and I think my breathing is improving from mycoplasma/tuberculosis granuloma infection and I can exhale a little bit better

what should I do? I'm so damaged from hypoxic low oxygen stroke and diabetes destroying my brain and eyes and kidneys and blood vessels and heart
I take metformin which is a cheap and AFAIK safe medication for diabetes
It sounds like you need to go on a hunt for a better doctor. ( does co-cure still keep a list ? )
They are out there. It takes some looking.
Best wishes. Sorry things suck for you so much right now.

ETA maybe a good endocrinologist ( try a university hospital ) AND a good PCP.
 

Marco

Grrrrrrr!
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Location
Near Cognac, France
and the comment on exercise, which I have discussed with a colleague working in experimental neuropathology, is quite intesting:

Exercise
Exercise is a promising mechanism of prevention and treatment for various diseases characterized by neuroinflammation.[9] Aerobic exercise is used widely to reduce inflammation in the periphery. Exercise has been shown to decreases proliferation of microglia in the brain, decrease hippocampal expression of immune-related genes, and reduce expression of inflammatory cytokines such as TNF-α.

Hello Charles

While regular sustained exercise may have value in protecting against the development of conditions such as Alzheimers, Huntington's etc characterised by neuroinflammation I suspect that some caution would be needed where neuroinflammation/microglial priming is already established.

I was digging around recently trying to identify a common 'signal' that might trigger PEM in response to diverse stressors such as physical and mental exertion and emotional stress. One strong candidate is the ubiquitous protein high mobility group box-1 (HMGB-1 or box-1 for convenience). Box-1 has been shown to be the proximal signal that primes and activates microglia in response to Danger-Associated Molecular Patterns (DAMPs) induced by cellular necrosis, infection, cellular/metabolic stress (advanced glycation end products) and strangely enough also psychological stress.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25568124

Exercise also actutely increases the expresssion of box-1 in parallel with the increase in cell free DNA :

"Immune-response patterns observed after acute bouts
of physical activity show similarities to those induced
by acute infection and trauma (1 ). Intense exercise has
recently been reported to provoke increases in the
plasma and serum concentrations of circulating cellfree
DNA (cf-DNA)3 (2, 3 ), a phenomenon considered
a hallmark of various pathologic conditions, including
cancer, autoimmune diseases, trauma, sepsis, stroke,
and myocardial infarction."

"In healthy individuals, excess cf-nDNA is rapidly
clearedfrom the circulation after the cessation of exercise.
Delayed or impaired clearance of cf-nDNA is especially
implicated in the disease pathogenesis of autoimmune
disorders, such as systemic lupus erythematosus (11 ),
and, remarkably, athletes who experience chronic fatigue
syndrome displayincreased seroprevalence of antinuclear
antibodies"

http://www.clinchem.org/content/57/4/633.full.pdf

Interestingly box-1 is termed a 'late inflammatory mediator' with peak levels somewhere between 48 and 72 hours after induction. If elevated by exercise then the peak would most likely be 'post-exertional'.

By way of analogy, post-concussion syndrome is a chronic multi-symptom, multi-system syndrome remarkably similar to ME/CFS (including exacerbated symptoms with exercise and alcohol intolerance) which affects only a small proportion of those with a 'mild traumatic brain injury'. The nice thing (sic) is that the initial trigger is unambiguously 'neuroinflammation'.

Because a high proportion of concussion cases are athletes there has been a great deal of attention paid to rehabilitation and getting ahtletes back to being able to tolerate exercise but until recently standard medical advice has been to avoid exercise altogether until completely asymptomatic yet some still go on to develop post-concussion syndrome.

One practitioner however has shown that early introduction of a graded exercise programme can aid recovery of exercise tolerance and reduce the proportion of those developing post-concussion syndrome. BUT unlike GET for ME/CFS the protocol is deliberately tailored to each individual with the intention that the exercise protocol totally avoids ANY exacerbation of symptoms which may be interpreted as keeping the activity at a level that promotes healing but below that at which primed microglia are activated.

Just some thoughts.
 

picante

Senior Member
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Location
Helena, MT USA
I recently think I may have had a stroke.

The neurodegeneration you describe sounds really frightening. Can someone help you get to a doctor? You need more diagnostic information.

If you're up to it, start a separate thread so that people here can help you better. Under the "Symptoms and Treatments" heading, there's a Neurological forum. Lots of knowledgeable people there.