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Are current chronic fatigue syndrome criteria diagnosing different disease phenotypes?

Discussion in 'Latest ME/CFS Research' started by Murph, Oct 23, 2017.

  1. Murph

    Murph :)

    Are current chronic fatigue syndrome criteria diagnosing different disease phenotypes?
    • Laura Maclachlan,
    • Stuart Watson,
    • Peter Gallagher,
    • Andreas Finkelmeyer,
    • Leonard A. Jason,
    • Madison Sunnquist,
    • Julia L. Newton

    Chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS) is characterised by a constellation of symptoms diagnosed with a number of different polythetic criteria. Heterogeneity across these diagnostic criteria is likely to be confounding research into the as-yet-unknown pathophysiology underlying this stigmatised and debilitating condition and may diagnose a disease spectrum with significant implications for clinical management. No studies to date have objectively investigated this possibility using a validated measure of CFS symptoms–the DePaul Symptom Questionnaire (DSQ).

    To examine whether current CFS diagnostic criteria are identifying different disease phenotypes using the DSQ.

    Case control study.

    Clinical Research Facility of the Royal Victoria Infirmary, Newcastle upon Tyne, UK.

    49 CFS subjects and ten matched, sedentary community controls, excluded for co-morbid depression.

    Main outcomes and measures
    Self-reported autonomic and cognitive features were assessed with the Composite Autonomic Symptom Score (COMPASS) and Cognitive Failures Questionnaire (COGFAIL) respectively. Objective autonomic cardiovascular parameters were examined using the Task Force® Monitor and a battery of neuropsychological tests administered for objective cognitive assessment.

    Self-reported autonomic and cognitive symptoms were significantly greater in CFS subjects compared to controls. There were no statistically significant differences in objective autonomic measures between CFS and controls. There were clinically significant differences between DSQ subgroups on objective autonomic testing. Visuospatial memory, verbal memory and psychomotor speed were significantly different between DSQ subgroups.

    Conclusions and relevance
    The finding of no significant differences in objective autonomic testing between CFS and control subjects may reflect the inclusion of sedentary controls or exclusion for co-morbid depression. Consistent exclusion criteria would enable better delineation of these two conditions and their presenting symptoms. Findings across CFS subgroups suggest subjects have a different disease burden on subjective and objective measures of function, autonomic parameters and cognitive impairment when categorised using the DSQ. Different CFS criteria may at best be diagnosing a spectrum of disease severities and at worst different CFS phenotypes or even different diseases. This complicates research and disease management and may contribute to the significant stigma associated with the condition.

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  2. Murph

    Murph :)

    The tl;dr seems to be that yes, there are differences in cfs patients but no, we don't know if that's just different severities or different diseases.
  3. alkt

    alkt Senior Member

    another waste of space study to find out what patients have been telling them for years. have they no concept of the word fluctuating since all results would change from time to time with a large number of patients.
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  4. Jesse2233

    Jesse2233 Senior Member

    Southern California
    True though I suppose it's good to have it codified as a study in writing
  5. alex3619

    alex3619 Senior Member

    Logan, Queensland, Australia
    In the modern trend toward tickbox Evidence Based Medicine if its not in a study it will be ignored. Some patients said? Irrelevant. Twenty doctors said? Irrelevant. A large patient survey showed an issue? Irrelevant.

    Now the issues within EBM also mean that even a study like this can be ignored, though that would depend on how the review were being done.
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  6. boolybooly

    boolybooly Senior Member

    So this shows DSQ (DePaul Symptom Questionnaire) can distinguish subgroups with statistically significant differences in autonomic function. Sounds useful.

    So this I guess is a recommendation to use DSQ as subgrouping criteria.

    It may be stating the obvious, but it really needs to be stated since this is the elephant in the room. Characterising subtypes reliably is an essential step, without which all the other studies come adrift.

    I get the distinct impression that experimentalists have long been working with insufficiently specific criteria. It stands to reason there needs to be a standard and one which can discriminate subtypes.

    It may be DSQ needs developing further but this sounds like they feel they are making progress. In the interests of impartiality though it ought to be replicated by people who are independant of the institutions supporting these investigators.

    IMHO if it works use it but I hope it will be a stepping stone on the road to molecular subtyping which I feel would be intrinsically more objective.
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  7. A.B.

    A.B. Senior Member

    That's questionable. Let's look at the sample sizes of the different groups:

    Controls 10
    Fukuda only 6
    Fukuda + 2003 clinical 9
    Fukuda + 2003 research 8
    Fukuda + 2003 + 2011 26

    I did not count the variables measured but they look like several dozens. All the between-group comparisons provide plenty of opportunities for false positives. This study is woefully underpowered. Even if there were genuine differences you'd need some way to control for severity to make sure that it's the different symptom profile, and not severity (or something else), that makes the difference.
    Last edited: Oct 29, 2017
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  8. Mithriel

    Mithriel Senior Member

    I was really disappointed in this paper considering who wrote it. Unless I missed something, they tested patients lying then standing and found that they were not significantly different from sedentary controls. They speculate this could be because it is depression that causes the difference and these patients were not depressed!

    BUT we have known since the 80s that patients should be tested after exertion, that tests are normal as long as they are rested. Just standing is not enough stress to give a definitive result that reflects real life. Our responses are highly dependent upon exertion.

    Decades ago doctors were advised to take readings from patients after having them climb a few sets of stairs.
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  9. RogerBlack

    RogerBlack Senior Member

    For very severe ME/CFS patients, standing, or 'standard tests' may be enough to provoke PEM - but they can push through it for long enough to complete tests - but the PEM is not of course then captured.
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  10. RogerBlack

    RogerBlack Senior Member

    It is possible to register at PLOS and make comments.
    As always, evidence based, ideally citing papers showing methodological problems with the study - for example results pre and post PEM.
    Or of course which bits of the study you found valuable and want to draw readers attention to.
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