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Acetyl L- Glutathione, ATP, Baking Soda, Sam-e & Catalase = No PEM after exercise

Discussion in 'Post-Exertional Malaise, Fatigue, and Crashes' started by Mya Symons, Dec 17, 2014.

  1. drob31

    drob31 Senior Member

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    I just read they use gliadin (wheat) to bind it so that it's bioavailable.

    Gluten alert! Stay away!
     
  2. drob31

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    By the way, my catalase supplement has 4x more catalase.

    Maybe try catalase without all the other stuff, and start adding stuff in?
     
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  3. Gondwanaland

    Gondwanaland Senior Member

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    I took like 1/10 of the capsule and felt awful. Will never take it again :bang-head:
    Won't be able to import stuff so soon again. The currency conversion became prohibitive. :meh:
     
  4. drob31

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    If it pans out, maybe I could send a bottle. What's the shipping like from the US?
     
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    Where did you read that they use gliadin?
     
  6. drob31

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    "Swanson Ultra SOD Gliadin Complex features SOD combined with the protein gliadin through a patented process that protects the SOD from inactivation in the digestive trac"

    http://www.swansonvitamins.com/swanson-ultra-glisodin-300-mg-60-caps

    Also, lef has an article that shows SOD must be bound to gliadin to be sufficiently absorbed. I'd like to find another formula for SOD that doesn't include gliadin.
     
  7. pemone

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    NEVER take Gliadin-based SOD supplementation. Studies show that this will lower your endogenous SOD levels such that your total SOD with supplementation is LOWER than it was before supplementation:
    https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jhs/53/5/53_5_608/_pdf

    I'm skeptical of supplemental catalase because most of it is destroyed in digestion. I have been looking for a liposomal catalase and so far I have not found one.

    Why do you feel the need to do such complex experiments? You have too many variables. How about taking baking soda BY ITSELF after exertion, NO OTHER SUPPLEMENTS, and see what is the result. That's a test.

    For myself, baking soda is a miracle, if taken during periods when you have strong acidosis symptoms.
     
  8. MeSci

    MeSci ME/CFS since 1995; activity level 6?

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    I too was thinking that sodium bicarbonate might be the best place to start. It is very cheap! I have been taking it for nearly 3 years, and always get worse if I try stopping.

    Recently I have started to notice a lift in strength and energy about 15 minutes after taking it. Sadly it doesn't last long, but it's useful if I have to do anything tiring like walking up a hill or some gardening.
     
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  9. Sherlock

    Sherlock Boswellia for lungs and MC stabllizing

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    Have you tried taking repeat doses up to bowel tolerance?
     
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    Could you take too much and slam into alkalosis?
     
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  11. Sherlock

    Sherlock Boswellia for lungs and MC stabllizing

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    That might be a caution for some, I don't know.

    But I would think that the very. very strong laxative effect of too much bicarb is the way that the body protects itself - unless there is something about CFS/ME which makes things different.
     
  12. MeSci

    MeSci ME/CFS since 1995; activity level 6?

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    Yes, I think so. I already take 8-10g a day divided into 4 doses. A major reason for my supplements is to combat bowel looseness, so I don't want to risk going into imbalance again. Once I get loose again, everything else gets messed up too, supporting my theory that, for me at least, leaky gut is a major component of the aetiology of my ME. I've inadvertently mistreated my gut for decades, and it's time to be nice to it - then it's nice to me!
     
  13. Sidereal

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    Yes, same here, anything that messes up with my gut sends me into a tailspin again.
     
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    If you have an inflammatory bowel disease, I can put in a good word for the Specific Carbohydrate Diet (SCD), which I implement strictly. I get all of my sugars in the form of monosaccharides from berries, three cups a day. I avoid ALL starches (e.g., wheat, potato, corn, rice), and I even avoid any processed food or fruit that contains much disaccharides. The miracle of this diet is the insight that many people cannot digest disaccharides like sucrose because they either lack the sucrase enzyme in sufficient quantity, or possibly because the enzyme is there but the gut isn't allowing it to work efficiently.

    The idea of this diet is to let your body take up moderate sugar rapidly in the small intestine and to leave very little for pathogens.
     
  15. MeSci

    MeSci ME/CFS since 1995; activity level 6?

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    Interesting. I seem to be doing quite well on my current diet and supplements (summarised in my profile), which took some time to perfect, so I think I'll stick with it for now.
     
  16. Mya Symons

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    UPDATE - I am going to stop the gym trips for awhile. I started having extreme nerve pain in my feet and more memory loss than usual. The one big thing I am doing different is going to the gym 3 times a week. The only way I will be able to tell if its the problem is stop going for awhile and see if I improve.

    This is why I try not to get my hopes up. It is so disappointing when something works for awhile and then doesn't. Sorry for being pessimistic. I'm in that mood right now:(
     
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    Maybe you're not taking enough catalase? Maybe try doing 1-2 gym trips and increasing something in the cocktail... more catalase? Maybe try doing weights and not cardio? Maybe try adding in creatine... etc, etc.
     
  18. Mya Symons

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    I am going to keep off my feet for awhile and see if that helps with the burning. I have lots of people in my family with diabetes and just went and gave blood for a diabetes test. I'm waiting for the results. Meanwhile, I am going to stay off my feet temporarily. If the nerve pain goes away, I figure I will switch things up, start all over again and see what happens.
     
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    Was your test for fasting blood sugar?

    You could also buy a blood sugar monitor for like 8 bucks if you have a walgreens to do more testing.

    Type 2 diabetes can be reversed with diet. I would suggest looking into the paleo diet if possible.
     
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    I think it was the fasting sugar test. I should know the results by Tuesday hopefully.
     

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