Haven't read it yet, but bound to be interesting:
http://www.healthrising.org/blog/2016/12/13/22744/
http://www.healthrising.org/blog/2016/12/13/22744/
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Cort said:Naviaux’s current study is about 50% bigger than the first and will contain roughly equal numbers of men and women. Naviaux will be analyzing his own mass spectrometer results, but in the second part of the study Oliver Fiehn at UC Davis will be implementing Naviaux’s methods on a different mass spectrometer machine. Fiehn’s West Coast Metabolomics Center is an NIH Regional Resource Core designed to advance the use of metabolomics in medical research and other fields. Fiehn is a well-published author who recently co-authored a metabolomics cerebral spinal fluid study which predicted the progression of Alzheimer’s with 99% accuracy.
The analysis for the expanded ME/CFS study should be done by July of next year with the paper published hopefully 4-5 months later.
Cort said:Naviaux doesn’t believe that the kind of structural damage that occurs in say, multiple sclerosis, has occurred in most cases of chronic fatigue syndrome. Nor has any intrinsic damage occurred to the mitochondria of most people with ME/CFS – a good thing.
Naviaux has plenty of experience with genetically determined mitochondrial diseases; he developed one of the first mitochondrial cocktails in the mid1990’s to treat them. These diseases, he believes, are much harder to treat than ME/CFS will end up being.
Haven't read it yet, but bound to be interesting:
http://www.healthrising.org/blog/2016/12/13/22744/
Treatment of ME/CFS is not a simple matter of “replacing what is low and removing what is high”. This is because the body is actively creating and even defending the low energy state of a human dauer-like syndrome to help it to outlast a perceived danger.
It's very interesting and a little discouraging at the same time. This part, which talks about our bodies basically thwarting off any attempt to return to health, is a little scary to me:
Treatment of ME/CFS is not a simple matter of “replacing what is low and removing what is high”. This is because the body is actively creating and even defending the low energy state of a human dauer-like syndrome to help it to outlast a perceived danger.
It does not scare me.
I see it as when the danger has subsided health can return.
Its a well known observation in ME that treatments can work for a while then stop working. This is consistent with the hypothesis that our body fights the treatment to return to its stable and unhealthy state.talks about our bodies basically thwarting off any attempt to return to health
Its a well known observation in ME that treatments can work for a while then stop working. This is consistent with the hypothesis that our body fights the treatment to return to its stable and unhealthy state.
So, analogous to an animal resisting coming out of hibernation because its body does not realise it is safe to do so.Its a well known observation in ME that treatments can work for a while then stop working. This is consistent with the hypothesis that our body fights the treatment to return to its stable and unhealthy state.
I can see your point. It's just I think the "danger", whatever it was, has long since subsided - it hasn't been here for 18 years, but here I am, still sick, with no hope in sight.
This has happened to me on a couple of different occasions - years ago both NADH and l-carnitine were like magic pills, for about a week or 10 days.....
Obviously it's a good thing to know what's going on and if this is what our bodies are doing, we need to know it. So the research is welcome - but am crossing my fingers about where it will lead us!
Its a well known observation in ME that treatments can work for a while then stop working. This is consistent with the hypothesis that our body fights the treatment to return to its stable and unhealthy state.
Yet even in this case at least a cure for ME will halt any decline and allow patients to better adapt without such debilitating exhaustion, pain and brain fog, and with decent sleep.
Hi @lansbergen What is the one you suspect?The one I suspect is still around. There is no known adaptive response and no known cure.
The innate immunesystem must do the job and when that reacts to strong it can cause symptoms and even kill the host.
Hi @lansbergen What is the one you suspect?
Yes if they are hiding something. So what is it?Do you want your government to panic all over again?
Yes if they are hiding something. So what is it?