Woolie
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Haha, yea, like the 15 minutes in their office is somehow a real trip for us. What an ego!I don't understand why these docs think we are vying for attention by going to hospitals, etc.
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Haha, yea, like the 15 minutes in their office is somehow a real trip for us. What an ego!I don't understand why these docs think we are vying for attention by going to hospitals, etc.
@alex3619, would you say its generally harder for a man to seek help with mental health issues? Perhaps less acceptable to admit to them, seen more as a weakness?
I believe this is the case. I have a very good friend with bipolar disorder, and he definitely doesn't want any business associates to know. For anyone with a corporate career (which my friend used to have), showing *any* kind of "weakness" is a career killer.
That "weakness" includes making one's family a priority, any kind of illness that lasts longer than a hangover, and showing empathy. Empathy is "bad" because it suggests that one might not squeeze every last nickel out of competitors, suppliers, and employees.
In a society built on cutthroat competition, "social Darwinism" is the order of the day.
I suspect it is, but its hard for me to say as my own attitude is not stereotypical. I have no doubt that some will say I am anti-psychiatry, but I am only anti-bad-psychiatry, which is far too much of it. I would seek out psychiatric help if I thought it was going to be useful, though I would double and triple check everything they tell me, just as I do with other doctors. Indeed a couple of years back I saw a psychiatrist for memory testing, though what I saw was underwhelming and almost useless ... I paid a lot of money to find out I do not have dementia and do not have narcolepsy, at least from one opinion. I already knew that.@alex3619, would you say its generally harder for a man to seek help with mental health issues? Perhaps less acceptable to admit to them, seen more as a weakness?
Haha, jimells, right onMaybe because they are so impressed with themselves that they assume the rest of us are equally impressed.
Yea,@alex3619, I get your point, dangerous to go down that road. Maybe better to stick to society's differing expectations/perceptions of the genders and how they impact on the person (and stay away from sweeping generalisations about traits, behaviours or attitudes).Its really hard for anyone to speak generally about even their own gender. People are individuals, and vary a lot.
Here's a morbidly funny incident, though ; after my sister's death, a cardiologist friend of my father told him that there was no correlation between my siblings' deaths, as well as risk for me. ( I had a long history of passing out, like my brother.)
Some few months later, the cardiologist was in bed with the flu. My father told me, ( as told to him), that the cardiologist suddenly raised his arm, then died. ( he had a history of a. fib.)
Probably the way women communicate. If someone sticks solely to facts a logical interpretation is reached. OTOH if someone talks to a doctor about feelings (especially since most doctors are males) then a psychological cause is a more likely interpretation
Munchausen's by proxy is an issue we all might be interested in, as the diagnosis can be misused in cases of unexplained illness.
This morning I was in the kitchen and lifted my arm to get something from the shelf and this triggered an a fib. I dropped what I was doing and crawled to bed where I'm going to spend the next several days probably. Fear and avoidance of activity? I'd rather be perceived as a weak, emotional female than be praised for strength, courage and 'not giving up' but dropping dead of sudden cardiac death.
Nope that is not what was written wrote. Men and women communicate differently. We can either bitch, call each other names and then act offended when the other side does the same thing to us. Either that or we can either help work to create a better understanding of each otherJust how do women communicate? I hope you don't mean that women don't communicate using logic and that they are too emotional.
Men and women communicate differently.
No, they don't. Especially in a medical context. The only difference is in the reactions of doctors who are biased to interpret the same symptoms differently depending on the gender of the patient.Men and women communicate differently.
This morning I was in the kitchen and lifted my arm to get something from the shelf and this triggered an a fib.
No, they don't. Especially in a medical context. The only difference is in the reactions of doctors who are biased to interpret the same symptoms differently depending on the gender of the patient.
Herein lies the root of the issuethe other side
Reminds me of the first day of class for Psychology 101. There were about 50 of us in a class, one of those big auditorium layouts with the teacher at the bottom, and the seats ascending upwards a full story.Herein lies the root of the issue
It’s not that physicians are uncomfortable around non-organicity. Their desire to turf these patients to another colleague is born of another cause entirely: The only thing that works in dealing with non-organic patients is the gift of time.
You’ve got to give them the gift of consultation time. Nothing else works. No meds, no physio, nada. You’ve got spend time with them, and let them tell their stories and have the feeling that a sympathetic medical ear is attending to their woes, and, guess what? They slowly get better. (For more on this see my book From Paralysis to Fatigue: A History of Psychosomatic Illness in the Modern Era (link is external), New York, Free Press, 1992)
Who knew? Medical insiders have long known this, and ever since the “Patient as a Person” movement in the 1920s, this has been bruited around the seminar rooms.
But think of the implications for a busy medical practice of giving each non-organic patient 45 minutes of your time on a regular basis. This would work for the patient, but your income would collapse.
They slowly get better
The unmarried, divorced and widowed tend to be easy prey for chic media-spawned diseases because they have few "significant others" with whom they may discuss interpretations of their own internal states. Of fifty patients with chronic fatigue syndrome seen at Toronto Hospital,"most were unmarried women and at least 4 had been divorced." Their average age was 33, and fully 50 percent had major depression before the onset of the fatigue. Of 8 patients in one study who were "allergic of everything", four were married, two divorced and two single. As for twentieth century disease, psychiatrist Donna Stewart described a population of young, middle-class female sufferers whose personal lives were in chaos. Of her original eighteen patients reported 1985, seven were married, eight single, and three divorced. Lacking feedback loops, such individuals have only the media against which to test readings of their internal sensations, and the media purvey the most alarmist view possible.
(In your dreams.)