The Undetectable Infection

[gregh286]

Wow ..... what an interesting few posts .....

OK, let us deal with this one first .........



Since starting this tread in 2012, all as I have done is researched a theory and presented arguments to support that theory, each particular component of this theory has been supported by 'scientific documents' ie. Reports from people who know what they are doing. These 'medical terms strung together' are all supported by scientific fact! Check the thread .....

Secondly, as stated, I am a research scientist, a problem solver, and I am very good at research. And I have had my fair share of lab work testing soil and water samples studying soil structure and identifying bacteria and contaminants ..... Attached are copies of the last page of my academic record and a letter from the Dean of Science, Information & Technology congratulating me for outstanding academic achievement as I had been placed on the Dean's Honour Roll of Academic excellence ..... I did that twice ..... Maximum one can achieve is 3 times in a 3 year degree .... I am sorry MeSci, you are wrong ...... And for the record, UTAS is rated in the top 2% of Universities worldwide.

Because of my academic ability the doors are open in any of the science fields .... including medecine .....

As far as 'stringing Medical Terms Together' I have presented my theory to numerous Microbiologists, including Dr Lipkin ..... His response was ..... Even though I may have a plausible explanation he does not know enough to recommend treatment, nor does he have the resources to research my theory ...... I even offered to pay!!!

With regards to Asia, I am in contact with a microbiologist in Indonesia, who works in Japan, and yes, they are researching these bacteria and are very concerned as Asians consume a lot of carbs and they are becoming highly resistant to treatment ........ We are quite possibly on the verge of a global pandemic ......

Thanks Mark37 for your vote of confidence, given the amount of people who PM me, you aren't the only one. And BTW, high dose vitamin C can result in the immune system seeing it as a pathogen and it can develop ways to deactivate it ..... But you are right, there is a lot of people who swear by it, and it does seem to work ....

One of the unusual things with Humans is that if someone proposes something that threatens/challenges their beliefs/thinking and makes them feel insecure, the first thing they do is attack the credibility of the person making the statements. Fortunately I am very secure in my position and confident in my skill set..... So if it makes you feel better, go for it as I don't give a rip!!!!

The research presented here is what I used to obtain treatment from a conservative infectious disease specialist ..... Solid scientific evidence to support a theory, resulting in a positive outcome and treatment that has worked ...

If you don't like what I write, don't read this thread ..... If you think my arguments aren't sound, present factual evidence to say otherwise .... If you have an opinion, I am happy to look for/find evidence to support or disprove it.

This is the full treatment with or without antibiotic support ..... And remember this is not advice but what I have worked out and now use ........

Antibiotic support can either be high dose for a short period, or lower doses for longer

Kill the bugs ......

Wild Oregano Oil (drops under tongue and capsule)
(Olive leaf extract or Grapefruit seed extract also helps) and as Mark37 stated vitamin C
Lauricidin (monolaurin) or Interfase plus
xlear drops in eyes and nose (xylitol)

1 tsp of bicarb of soda 3x per day
1 tsp tumeric 3 x per day ... I mix these together in water with psyllium husk
1 TBSP of Codliver oil

methylcobalamin - 1ml under tongue
Proteolytic enzymes (a little more than just digestive enzymes)
Prescript Assist - Soil based probiotic (or similar)
Saccharomyces Boulardii
Brewers yeast
Kefir colonic flushing and oral consumption (coconut water is probably best)
Co Q10
Magnesium Chelate
Zinc
Selenium

Green tea with grated ginger, cinamon, lemon and sweetened with xylitol (sometimes i use Manuka Honey)
xylitol chewing gum
Oil pulling .... 1 tbsp of sesame oil swished around the mouth for 10+ minutes before brushing
Good quality unsalted butter (eat it like a piece of cheese) Contains butric acid which feeds the colon cells
Bone Broth

Plenty of fermented foods, Fats and protein (eat plenty of fish and eggs), ginger, garlic, lemon and chilli, leafy green vegetables .... No simple carbs or sugars, no yoghurt or milk, no fruit (strep love fruit), no wheat or legumes..

Get outside, go to a forest and get really muddy regularly ........ Eat some dirt, but right away from civilization ....

This protocol will kill the bugs, rebuild the immune system and put good bugs back to replace what is killed.

Antibiotics will accelerate the results ..... Best antibiotics are clarithromycin or erythromycin if a macrolide hasn't been used in the last 6 months, better if used in conjunction with a second abx. such as keflex or a tetracyclene.

Vancomycin + Augmentin Duo Forte works best

Never Use Ciprofloxican ........

I believe Breast Milk from a healthy donor would be the best probiotic, rather than using feces.

Theoretically persistence with this regime should bring close to full health within a year .....

It works for me .....

Cheers.

Cheers elph....hows the geographic tongue looking after all this.
Good to hear you're still cruising.
Best thread on phoenixrising BTW.
Dont let people put you off.

 

[freddy77]

hi Mark37, dont have to much sodium ascorbate/vit C gives you the shits , thats if your having it in powder form.You can get it in injection form as well. Selenium in some parts of Australia is very low in the ground so we dont get enough in our diet . it is known that areas that are low have higher cancer . Magnesium Chelate cos q10 are antioxidants .
Elph68 you say you're so great and well educated but you cant even spell medicine correctly . think you need to get off your high horse and pull your head in .stop making up problems that start in your head

 

[MeSci]

I don't think I have used the expression 'medical terms strung together'. Perhaps you are thinking of Professor Edwards's phrase 'random joining up of medical words'.

I just want to make sure that people are not misled about your (or anyone else's) qualification status. Many people on here do good independent research, but most do not make inflated claims about being scientists when they don't have the appropriate qualifications and background in formal study of biological/medical science.

Your appearance on the 'roll of honour' does not detail any qualifications or study levels.

I queried your conflicting statements about your science background before here, and the last I think I heard was that you were going for an honours degree in microbiology (presumably BSc), having previously said that a uni was 'busting' to get you back for a PhD, for which in the UK you normally first need a Masters degree. You also said that someone was prepared to fund you for a PhD.

So I am still confused!

 

[Streppy]

Cheers elph....hows the geographic tongue looking after all this.
Good to hear you're still cruising.
Best thread on phoenixrising BTW.
Dont let people put you off.

I totally agree there is so little information on the internet about strep overgrowth in the intestines, anyone who is investiaging into it , i really want to hear what there finding. Anyone with the same symptoms as me I want to hear whats working for them. by the way everyone im dyslexic i have a degree in biology from leicester uni uk but really sorry my spelling is very bad

I had strep problems off and on for 20 years since glandular fever i used to be able to take a short course of antibotics and kill the symptoms (blurred vision, foggy head, aching muscles ) but now the strep are resistant.

 

[gregh286]

MeSci yes i agree , elph68 is one of these people that think they are some kind of god , so to speak ,he love to be the one , a lot of what he put up on here is crap and others think it is gospel .he claims to have all theses problems , which i think are in his head .eg he thinks hes sick so there for he is .

Thats the beauty of an open forum.
Nobody forcing you to believe or read anything.
Do you have anything constructive to add.

 

[Elph68]

MeSci yes i agree , elph68 is one of these people that think they are some kind of god , so to speak ,he love to be the one , a lot of what he put up on here is crap and others think it is gospel .he claims to have all theses problems , which i think are in his head .eg he thinks hes sick so there for he is .

I am not sick ...... I am recovering!!!

 

[Elph68]

One of the unusual things with Humans is that if someone proposes something that threatens/challenges their beliefs/thinking and makes them feel insecure, the first thing they do is attack the credibility of the person making the statements. Fortunately I am very secure in my position and confident in my skill set..... So if it makes you feel better, go for it as I don't give a rip!!!!

The research presented here has been obtained over the last 5 years and is what I used to obtain treatment from a conservative infectious disease specialist ..... Solid scientific evidence to support a theory, resulting in a positive outcome and treatment that has worked ...

If you don't like what I write, don't read this thread ..... If you think my arguments aren't sound, present factual evidence to say otherwise .... If you have an opinion, I am happy to look for/find evidence to support or disprove it.

But if it is not constructive .... I have the right to ignore it!!!

 

[Elph68]

Cheers elph....hows the geographic tongue looking after all this.
Good to hear you're still cruising.
Best thread on phoenixrising BTW.
Dont let people put you off.

Hi Gregh,

Most the time now it is good but whenever I go near my GF .... it comes back .... so then it is back on the garlic, ginger and oregano oil mouth wash and it goes away again. This hasn't been good on our relationship, and she is a Registered Nurse ......

But like Freddy states, it is obviously all in my head ......

 

[Streppy]

I think they guys who are saying this have not got the same symptoms as us. Because I totally get what your saying. It's a very frustrating illness because most Dr 's even if there sympathetic just don't know how to help.

For me the less carbs I eat and the more things I take to kill the strep the better my vision , energy levels. And now if I stick away from carbs and take lots of strep killers i practically have a normal life and work full time and look after my two year old twins. But as soon as I accidently eat something that has sugar in it I get a sore throat and arching glands , it's really gutiting when it happens and I kick myself. Then I end up in bed all day and can't think straight to work, people laugh and say are you on time delay? As I struggle to listen to them through my foggy head. The next day all is better again.

I don't know if my family have it i am waiting for bioscreen to post over some tests so I can check, there certainly not as bad as me if they do. Sadly my step daughter who lives with me is so depressed she does not get out of bed most days, and my partner has gluten insolence so I am checking them both now.

If you check out elph posts and look at what he saying he talking then you will find else where on the internet that they kill strep. If you have only just found out that you have strep then the changes are that you will get over it really quickly, and it's not immune to the normal ethryromycin etc. I think the problem starts happening when you had it for a long time taken lots of antibiotics and not known really what your dealing with and made it immune. Then you have a problem. That's where I am . Reduced it down but just can't kill it

 

[Streppy]

By the way last year I tried taking antibiotics them human breast milk. I think I had not killed the strep before drinking the milk. The milk made all
My good bacteria levels really good and high. But the strep did also go up as well and in general my symptoms got worse. Once I have totally killed the strep I drink it again. I was dispointed I read that it has natural bad bugs killers in it and hoped it would not feed the strep. But it did for me.

 

[MeSci]

MeSci yes i agree , elph68 is one of these people that think they are some kind of god , so to speak ,he love to be the one , a lot of what he put up on here is crap and others think it is gospel .he claims to have all theses problems , which i think are in his head .eg he thinks hes sick so there for he is .

@freddy77 - I think that you are being unnecessarily rude and abusive, which is against the rules of this site. @Elph68 - you can report abusive posts by clicking the 'report' button below messages.

 

[Elph68]

Hi MeSci, I am not here to make enemies .... But let's clear some things up ....

Firstly, I am a Regional Scientist .... I have a multi disciplined degree .... And take it from me, I am probably the only one that you will ever meet .... Secondly, I have never stated I have a medical degree .... What I have stated is I am a research scientist .... Fact! I am the link between physical science and natural science and social science ....

Furthermore, as I have achieved a high level of academic achievement I am able to do a PhD after a honours year (mini thesis) ..... I do not need to do a masters .... And my honours can be in any science that I choose ..... This thread is enough research for a mini thesis .....

Between my post that you refer to and now I have been through a horrendous divorce which is still in court ... I have not been able to do the honours I was offered .... There are larg gaps in my postings here ....

I came here to have my theory challenged, and it has been .... and for that I am very grateful because it has enabled me to present the right information to the right doctors to get the right treatment...... And others here have been able to do the same .... As stated, I am very comfortable with my skill set.

From a statistical perspective, and according to the research, at least 50% of the people here are most likely suffering from what I have presented .... The rest I reckon are complicated with viruses/toxins (only my opinion) ....

The thing that the medical people on this website doesn't seem to understand, I am probably the one person who could be used to get the funding to do the research ..... Because I am a Regional Scientist ....

Now, apart from the fact that this disease practically destroyed my life in 2012 ..... From a regional scientists point of view, this has the potential to destroy a national medical budget .... If the undetectable infection is in fact real .... I believe it is and we are the tip of the iceberg ......

I hope I have cleared up the doubt .....

The simple fact is, this thread is 5 years of research that is backed up with scientific papers to support arguments .... And I have not put up anything new .... I have just done my job, looked at the evidence and joined the links .... I have stated, somebody who is smarter than me has done the lab work ..... I have just joined the dots .....

The dots say that he undetectable infection is a plausible theory whether people like it or not .....

 

[MeSci]

In case anyone wants to know what regional science is, I guess that this link is relevant:

http://www.anzrsai.org/faq/

 

[gregh286]

Cheers elph....hows the geographic tongue looking after all this.
Good to hear you're still cruising.
Best thread on phoenixrising BTW.
Dont let people put you off.

Hi Elp,
thanks for the protocol. Mine is similar to yours that the Hale clinic has me on and has worked really well.

Bugs:
5ml X Bicarb X 3 day.
Diatomaceous Earth x 2 day (1g)
Wild Oregano Oil.
NAC for Biofilm Breaks.

Immune Assistance
Vit D X 100,000ui Day
Vit k2 X 1 Every other day
Vit C X 5g Liposomal Day
AHCC or IP6 or BioBran (preferred) 2g Day (NK Function)
50mg Zinc Day

Anti Inflammatory
Liposomal Termeric x 3g or Curamed.
Super Garlic by Lindens.
Neuroprotek OR Quercetin/White Willow Mix. (mast stabilise)

Diet: Paleo
Sugar: Avoid like plague.
If eating carbs...buffer with protein to avoid Glucose Spike.
Brazil Nuts for High Dose Selenium.
Fatty Fish for Omegas.
Bicarb can be switched for 2 squeezed lemons in hot water to break it up.
Apple cider vinegar used in dressings.

 

[Seven7]

@ ALL, I am speaking as a member: Pls refrain from insulting each other, we get what Elph is and what he is not. Wesley says he is helping and calls himself a Scientist and I consider Elph to be in a better track for a subgroup than those so called scientists. When plp are very smart they tend to be not the most political, but I have seen geniuses banned from PR because things start this way.

I can tell you this guy is close to something major and I would hate to see it lost because he is not miss congeniality (no offense Elph). He is doing great work and I have found it very educational. Please don't push him away, just don't read this thread if you do not agree. At least he is sharing and figuring it out like all of us are trying to do.

@Elph68 Please hang in there for those of us that are interested. Don't let comments inflate to the point where a few members get banned.

This is all my personal opinion as member and based on things I saw that had happened in the past and the great loss of members that are up to something good.

 

[MeSci]

Hi MeSci, I am not here to make enemies .... But let's clear some things up ....

Firstly, I am a Regional Scientist .... I have a multi disciplined degree .... And take it from me, I am probably the only one that you will ever meet .... Secondly, I have never stated I have a medical degree .... What I have stated is I am a research scientist .... Fact! I am the link between physical science and natural science and social science ....

It's not uncommon to have a BSc in all those subjects. I have a BSc (Hons) which covers biology (including human biology), physics (including nuclear and quantum physics), chemistry, biochemistry, astronomy, earth sciences and one social science (psychology), genetic engineering and agriculture. It covered energy production from fossil fuels, renewable fuels and nuclear power.

EDIT

also ecology, evolution and oceanography. Just illustrating how varied science degrees can be.
I expect that many other people have mixed degrees like this.

 

[Mark37]

Thanks inester7. I've said this before, this is the only thread I've ever engaged in after 1000's of hours researching and it has truly helped refine my own protocol and inspire further research solutions elsewhere. Even if only to rule out possible treatment options, it has been invaluable.

Most here are looking for solutions to problems where doctors failed. I'm here for solutions not semantics and partly why l haven't engaged elsewhere. I'm not bothered Elph if you never even went to school; you are intelligent, highly respected and it's the strength of your ideas, research and protocols most important to me and am sure many folks battling illness.

You've also created a strong platform for others to contribute very useful data.

I'll post my full protocol when l have a chance, hopefully it can help someone. It's similar to Elph and Gregh, the focus being: kill pathogens, build immunity, reduce inflammation and oxidization, and replenish good bacteria.

Vit C and D (which is actually a hormone) in large doses will help greatly aid our immune systems. Almost everybody is under and can do with more. Too much C may create copper deficiency, but this is easily overcome.

I've taken 50mg zinc a day for 3 years and 2 months ago discovered from blood work l was deficient - doubling this dose (zinc picolliante) has assisted my protocol. The appropriate intake of vitamins, herbs, medicine and foods will vary for everybody. It's taken me years to get where l'm at now.

Best to you all.

 

[Mark37]

I think they guys who are saying this have not got the same symptoms as us. Because I totally get what your saying. It's a very frustrating illness because most Dr 's even if there sympathetic just don't know how to help.

For me the less carbs I eat and the more things I take to kill the strep the better my vision , energy levels. And now if I stick away from carbs and take lots of strep killers i practically have a normal life and work full time and look after my two year old twins. But as soon as I accidently eat something that has sugar in it I get a sore throat and arching glands , it's really gutiting when it happens and I kick myself. Then I end up in bed all day and can't think straight to work, people laugh and say are you on time delay? As I struggle to listen to them through my foggy head. The next day all is better again.

I don't know if my family have it i am waiting for bioscreen to post over some tests so I can check, there certainly not as bad as me if they do. Sadly my step daughter who lives with me is so depressed she does not get out of bed most days, and my partner has gluten insolence so I am checking them both now.

If you check out elph posts and look at what he saying he talking then you will find else where on the internet that they kill strep. If you have only just found out that you have strep then the changes are that you will get over it really quickly, and it's not immune to the normal ethryromycin etc. I think the problem starts happening when you had it for a long time taken lots of antibiotics and not known really what your dealing with and made it immune. Then you have a problem. That's where I am . Reduced it down but just can't kill it

@Streppy l can relate to your situation. The sugar reaction also causes something like a chronic hangover for me. Sugar ferments with pathogens creating ethanol which somewhat helps explain the brain fog, pain, blurred vision, depression etc. Our bodies become a brewery.

I've eliminated sugar, gluten, chocolate from my and my sons diet. Berries instead of other fruits and plenty of organic meats, fish. Thankfully he enjoys fermented foods, goat kefir milk and also kombucha as a treat. We use tonnes of coconut oil in cooking.
He's on Vit C, D, fish oil, monolaurin and probiotic. His health is steadily improving.

A couple of bites from a choc danish created huge neurological disturbances for a few nights. Sugar is lethal.

I previously posted a link regarding biofilm and a point made was to find an effective protocol then stick with it. Don't just disturb the bugs, kill them.We here work in months, there's setbacks, but the protocol is working.

I believe you and your family can get much closer to full health this way. It's time consuming and costs more to eat well and make the right foods,but is well worth it.

The recent protocols posted are worth researching/applying/making your own out of.

 

[Elph68]

By the way last year I tried taking antibiotics them human breast milk. I think I had not killed the strep before drinking the milk. The milk made all
My good bacteria levels really good and high. But the strep did also go up as well and in general my symptoms got worse. Once I have totally killed the strep I drink it again. I was dispointed I read that it has natural bad bugs killers in it and hoped it would not feed the strep. But it did for me.

Hi Streppy,

I can probably give you some insight into why that happened .... In very simple terms, the other supposedly good bacteria join forces with the strep and they all start acting in the same way .....

I have searched relentlessly, and I can't find any scientific evidence that having some of these strep species anywhere on the body is a good thing.

They form communities and teach other bacteria how to act in the same way.

Pathogenic normal flora .... That aren't pathogens .....

The undetectable infection ......

 

[Elph68]

I still haven't figured out how to tag people in here.
Cheers.