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The Undetectable Infection 101 - Bacterial Parthenogenesis
Sorry ... you are correct, it is a typo ...I'm guessing that this is a typo and you mean pathogenesis? I noticed that you used 'parthenogenesis' earlier so was expecting some stuff on asexual reproduction of the microbes.
The symptoms you mention are very similar to other infections. How does one test for this.
Sore throat and swollen neck glands is extremely common in ebv/ cmv as well as other viral infections. symptoms are but a guide, to be accurate some type of testing needs to be done.
Eg in glandular fever, the throat and swollen neck glands as well a fatigue and myalgias are a guide to glandular fever. If Viral testing shows igm or high igg titres to ebv and elevated lymphocytes to confirm the diagnosis. This is the same with cmv.
Maybe throat cultures could detect bacterial infection?
Heaps, elevated lymphocytes are indicative for any infection, so just high igm/igg for ebv/cmv doesn't tell much. I think that reactivations are a possibility, but if you have acute glandular fever you have high fever and feel like shit, not cfs-like shit but, flu-like shit. I had 3 x normal IGG for ebv back then and considered the trigger infection to be adult onset mononucleosis. But after thinking about it, the symptoms did simply not match up much. I was in the viral camp for a long time but have since then questioned it and now consider a chronic subacute bacterial infection more likely. Doesn't mean you can't have both, but viruses usually cause an acute episode and then even those that stay in your system dormant usually do not cause any symptoms until there is another acute episode (e.g. chickenpox / shingles).The symptoms you mention are very similar to other infections. How does one test for this.
Sore throat and swollen neck glands is extremely common in ebv/ cmv as well as other viral infections. symptoms are but a guide, to be accurate some type of testing needs to be done.
Eg in glandular fever, the throat and swollen neck glands as well a fatigue and myalgias are a guide to glandular fever. If Viral testing shows igm or high igg titres to ebv and elevated lymphocytes to confirm the diagnosis. This is the same with cmv.
Maybe throat cultures could detect bacterial infection?
I question that, IMO this is simply bias because women usually tend to externalize physical and emotional issues faster than men who think they can "push through it" (http://consumer.healthday.com/publi...0/women-see-doctors-more-than-men-400589.html). If it is indeed a chronic bacterial infection and spreadable through mucous membranes, women would also be at a slight disadvantage because there is way more exposed attackable "mucousy" surface area in the genitals.what about the fact that ME/CFS affects predominantly women?
what about the fact that ME/CFS affects predominantly women?
So the only way to know is if its an issue is to treat it and see if one responds to it.
I don't think your run of the mill doctor or researcher will solve this, there is too much general guidance by the government and the insurances to not pursue this seriously. IMO only if a very rich person/family is directly and heavily affected, or if people like Elph and others join together with researchers around the world (must include non-western researchers that don't subscribe to the current mainstream/money politics) via crowd-sourcing/crowd-funding, then there might be a fast-tracked path to solving this puzzle.@mellster If you take that stance on a flip side of the coin if more men did have it more hoo haaa might have happened about getting to the bottom of it.
I was actually more thinking along the lines of female sex hormones maybe making us possibly more prone to it, but saying that could be a very gross overgeneralisation as well.
They can if you are looking for known pathogens or an overgrowth of something out of the ordinary, but this is normal flora .... so when the lab tests are returned, even if it is in abundance, it is not returned as the cause .....
Here in Australia, under medicare, labs are not allowed to look for anything outside their charter .... Viridans strep if found is normal flora and is not investigated further ..... That is the worldwide gold standard, according to our health minister......
How many people (other than me) with ME have chronic throat problems, vaganitis, prostatitis, sore eyes, urethritis, or any other mucosal inflammation with no known cause?? How do the doctors explain that???
Have a look and a search for a condition called aerobic vaginitis ..... enterococcus, viridans strep, e-coli and Group B Strep are the known causes ..... pathogenic normal flora ........ Can only be determined through PCR testing ......
This is the undetectable infection ......
I don't think your run of the mill doctor or researcher will solve this, there is too much general guidance by the government and the insurances to not pursue this seriously. IMO only if a very rich person/family is directly and heavily affected, or if people like Elph and others join together with researchers around the world (must include non-western researchers that don't subscribe to the current mainstream/money politics) via crowd-sourcing/crowd-funding, then there might be a fast-tracked path to solving this puzzle.
What about those that don't have any of these symptoms?