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Do you have an example of one?
NatureMade B-complex with Vit C. List no. 1338 sku 31604 01338
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Do you have an example of one?
Hi Freddd,
Thanks for the reply. So, should the 'E, C, A, D, zinc, magnesium, trace minerals, calcium, omega3 oils' not be in place before the methylation support is begun? If not, when should these be added?
Should ALCAR and CoQ10 come after the MeCbl, AdoCbl, and l-methylfolate? I'm confused about the order. I was settling on the idea that I should have a good base of vitamins and minerals, add in the methylation supplements and then add in cofactors ALCAR/CoQ10 once I had titrated up the doses.
What did you mean ALCAR would probably be wrong for me? This is what my doctor suggested. Should I take furmarate?
I thought B3 was an antidote for over-methylation, in which case it would temper the need for potassium associated with methylation support? My levels are low and my doctor has suggested 500mg per day. However, my methylfolate levels are also low, so I'm thinking that B3 will make it worse (as you allude to by making more need for methylfolate).
Thanks for your help. .
Hi Freddd,
Thanks for the reply. So, should the 'E, C, A, D, zinc, magnesium, trace minerals, calcium, omega3 oils' not be in place before the methylation support is begun? If not, when should these be added?
Should ALCAR and CoQ10 come after the MeCbl, AdoCbl, and l-methylfolate? I'm confused about the order. I was settling on the idea that I should have a good base of vitamins and minerals, add in the methylation supplements and then add in cofactors ALCAR/CoQ10 once I had titrated up the doses.
What did you mean ALCAR would probably be wrong for me? This is what my doctor suggested. Should I take furmarate?
I thought B3 was an antidote for over-methylation, in which case it would temper the need for potassium associated with methylation support? My levels are low and my doctor has suggested 500mg per day. However, my methylfolate levels are also low, so I'm thinking that B3 will make it worse (as you allude to by making more need for methylfolate).
Thanks for your help. .
1 year AGO - 3000 mg/day potassium barely maintaining
Today - 1500mg/day potassium adequately maintains my potassium levels
1 year ago - CNS healing stopped and deteriorated until B2, B3 were stopped
Today - CNS healing re-established
Where are you at now with B1, B2 & B3?
I've finally worked up to the full 400 mfolate but its the version with Bs in a complex and thus far I'm still having to take more potassium than I'd like, so I'm starting to try ways to see if I can impact that potassium need. I'm thinking of mixing half of a 400 mfolate-only with half of the Douglas Labs B complex with 400 mfolate to see if decreasing the other Bs could help. I also take the Nature Made B multi with C at night, and when I tried stopping that, I was waking up at night, amped up.
It's inspiring that you decreased the potassium from 3000 to 1500 over a year, but it sounds like that was mostly after removing some of the Bs.
Do you have an example of one?
I've just done a search on iherb. There are a few choices here. In addition to the 2 I've listed below, thorne also makes B Complex #6, which includes Calcium Folinate as well as L5MTF and Riboflavin as well as P5P, Adeno + MB12. And B Complex #12, which is similar to #6. I haven't looked beyond these, ie., don't know what other Thorne combos are. I did look at several other brands, these were the ones that seem to work for our needs. I'll be Going w/ the Thorne Basic, listed below, and using partial capsules. thanks for pointing the way on these B's Freddd.
Thorne Research, Basic B Complex, 60 Veggie Caps
Thiamin (as Thiamin HCl) 110 mg
Riboflavin (as Riboflavin 5'-Phosphate Sodium) 10 mg
Niacin (130 mg as Niacinamide and 10 mg as Niacin)140 mg
Vitamin B6 (as Pyridoxal 5'-Phosphate) 10 mg
Folate (as L-5-Methyltetrahydrofolate from L-5-Methyltetrahydrofolic Acid, Glucosamine Salt) 400mcg
Vitamin B12 (as Methylcobalamin) 400mcg
Biotin 400mcg
Pantothenic Acid (as Calcium Pantothenate) 110 mg
Choline Citrate 80 mg
Douglas Laboratories, B-Complex, 60 Veggie Caps
Thiamine (Vitamin B-1, as Thiamine HCl) 50 mg
Riboflavin (Vitamin B-2, Riboflavin-5-Phosphate) 20 mg
Niacin (Vitamin B-3, as Niacinamide) 50 mg
Vitamin B-6 (as Pyridoxal-5-Phosphate) 20 mg
Folate (as L-methylfolate, Metafolin) 400 mcg
Vitamin B-12 (as methylcobalamin) 500 mcg
Biotin 300 mcg
Pantothenic Acid (Vitamin B-5, as d-calcium pantothenate) 50 mg
Intrinsic Factor (from porcine) 20 mg
Update: I am so grateful to you Freddd for suggesting lowering B doses. Since I've cut my doses to minimal (small amounts of hi-dose capsules), I've also needed less Vit C and Ca, which I'd been using to counteract histamines. I've known that B's are high-sulfur, which I can't tolerate, but they'd been necessary. Now a glitch in my shoulder rotation has been eliminated, and I'm clear this is from the reduced sulfur, as I'd had similar connective tissue changes when I eliminated all the sulfur (high thiols) from my diet a year ago.
I had a major elimination episode nearly 2 months ago, which I believe was metals. I was using high dosage zinc for the past year to facilitate pulling out metals. Now I've just reduced my zinc, which meant I also need less potassium and magnesium. I've also been able to reduce my thyroid (T3) and LCF. At last, less is more! And I switched my B12 timing so that I'm taking adB12 with mB12 close to mfolate, and my second mB12 on it's own midday.
Now, 4 days in a row, I "feel normal". My exercise tolerance is much better, mood better, I'm calm and positive. Today I would say that after 10 years and some months, I'm healed. I'm fortunate to live in a sheltered environment, and there's no way I could resume anything stressful, like real work. However, your B12 protocol and ongoing advice has returned me to the land of the living. cheers, ahmo
This is Excellent advice/observation. Yes, now a new sort of mental exercise, to not let my mind push me! cheersNo matter how good you feel you have no more capacity than you did a week ago
@Freddd
Oh my god that is huge. So just to clarify again...
I am starting mb12, ab12 and mfolate and then I just wait for the symptoms to show up (if they do not, i through in l-carnitine.
Then If I get group 3 symptoms I need to titrate the dosage (what that means exaclty?).
If I get group 1 symptoms I through in potassium instead.
And then what? I expect everything to go away and I am dealing with what is keft?(which will be what?) I am sorry but I can not fully understand it yet