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Coynes next blog should be very interesting - will he drop the subject altogether, defend or excuse Shorter or denounce him.Poor Coyne finds out the whole thing is even worse than he could have imagined.
The patient’s subconscious may not have chosen the symptoms. It’s really the culture that choses them, and patients get from the culture an idea of what is medically “credible.” Patients strive to produce symptoms that are medically believable, that cannot be disproven, in other words. This is why the hysterical gait paralyses of the nineteenth century have largely disappeared: The Babinski test “disproved” them. But you cannot prove that someone is not fatigued or in pain, which is why we see so much of that today.
https://jcoynester.wordpress.com/20...ommentary-on-imaginary-illness-in-the-lancet/
Patients strive to produce symptoms that are medically believable, that cannot be disproven, in other words.
Is it still psychosomatic after the autopsy is done?
Brilliant!
As my subconscious was surveying the culture of the early 1980's, you know, looking around for symptoms that were medically credible but which could not be disproved, it apparently decided that its best bet was to lead with constant, unrelenting dizziness.
This evening my subconscious is making my right foot swell up and 5 lymph nodes enlarge and ache in my neck and arm pit - damn you pesky subconscious!!! *shakes fist*
Yes, we've got the stupidest subconscious minds of the world, instead of mimicking things that are diagnosed clinically, like Parkinson for eg. they go for the unrecognised symptoms of ME...
I remember Shorter saying (sorry can't recall where) that swollen lymph nodes were "easy to produce"...
Perhaps she has no choice but to write what she does.
I have to admit, the psychology of those who psychologize is a continual source of fascination to me.
I understand that's a bit recursive of me... I fascinate myself?
-J
Research Proposal:
Provisional Title - Assuming 20 - 50 % of mainly women who I meet are manipulative liars, unable to recognize and verbalize their true feelings and are out to get something from me. A RCT.
- Experimental resources - Thermal camera to examine the variation in temperature of patients pants when presenting with MUPS.
- Icky Women
- Protective codpiece
I await your input and further suggestions
There is a very recursive nature to their logic...
It cant be explained medically therefore its psychosomatic, psychosomatic can't be explained medically therefore it's...
Can't figure out if this is recursive or an infinite loop or just leading down the road to quackery.
It may be a form of Begging the Question, in which the conclusion and the premise are, in fact, different ways of stating the same thing.
BTQ is one of those fallacies that's often misunderstood; it's used popularly to say, "which begs us to ask the question..." which is not the same thing!
A good example of this fallacy is, "murder is wrong because killing people is wrong."
Murder may be wrong, but this sentence doesn't prove it. Since 'killing' is a synonym for 'murder', the speaker is quite literally saying killing is wrong because killing is wrong. Both the premise and the conclusion match too closely to constitute an argument.
-J
'diagnosis' of somataform disorder, medically unexplained symptoms = somatoform disorder, and somatofrom disorder = medically unexplained symptoms?