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Excellent retort from Deer to Lewis's complaint: http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2012/01/brian-deer-responds-to-david-lewis-complaint/
There are two threads running about this - darn confusing don't you think?
You don't sound very supportive. Regardless of what you think about the autism issue I fail to see how a major win by Deer and the London "establishment" helps us. Personally, I'd like to see a major scandal so that the swamp might be drained at least a little bit. Who knows who else might be sucked into vortex?
Well, the question the court is going to answer is "Did Andrew Wakefield fraudulently manipulated his study", as the BMJ claimed. And the answer to this is probably going to be a "no".
Do you think the BMJ want to help people with ME, firestormm?
They have not published anything about the rituximab study, for example, even though their sub-editor attended the Invest in ME conference and heard the research at first hand.
You don't sound very supportive. Regardless of what you think about the autism issue I fail to see how a major win by Deer and the London "establishment" helps us. Personally, I'd like to see a major scandal so that the swamp might be drained at least a little bit. Who knows who else might be sucked into vortex?
Hi Floyd,
When you say 'helps us' what do you mean? In what way might you think a 'win' for Wakefield/Lewis helps 'us'?
If you read the links to Deer's site from leftbrainrightbrain that I posted and read the complaint from Lewis broken down as it is and about those tick sheets for the children's gut biopsies and how they were taken as evidence for something that was not even there - and then you look at what Lewis is claimed was said as being 'fraud' (which didn't actually claim that at all) - this law suit is destined to undermine Lewis and even Wakefield even more than they have been to date.
It was at best ill conceived and at worst damn stupid. Those tick sheets are evidence that was allegedly 'lost' and now Lewis has provided it to Deer and the BMJ. And that alone is bad for Wakefield. But the complaint from Lewis is terribly put together and as I said on the other thread - with all the links provided - it is no surprise that the BMJ are no doubt feeling rather smug about it all now.
If this was meant to be some attempt at resurrecting a reputation - then it sucked. Sorry but it did. Still we shall see what happens in court I suppose.
What ever happened to free speech? Dr. Wakefield HAS to win.
I am hoping that the truth wins, whether it be Wakefield or the BMJ. Now I don't have a lot of liking for the BMJ or their editorial policies, and very little respect left, but I don't want that to cloud my judgement on an issue by issue basis. It is fantastic that Wakefield finally gets to face his acusers. Provided a lot of testimony/evidence is not ruled out this is a win for free speach, regardless of the outcome. Bye, Alex
Hi floydguy, I do agree that things are stacked against Wakefield. Its why I used the word "hope" and not "think". This is David and Goliath in a sense. If the trial evidence/testimony is made public, everyone will see each of the claims tested in an adversarial environment. Everyone learns. If its all private, confidential, hidden, then we are all losers. Bye, Alex
No, that wouldn't be contempt of court. In the US, there's no rule against publishing facts or opinions concerning a pending or ongoing court case, unless the judge specifically invokes a gag order on it.I was almost going to say that I would now expect to see another outpouring of vitriol against Dr Wakefield in the press and broadcast media - however - wouldnt such a press campaign be contempt of court with a case now pending?
Hi Tony Mach,
You are believing what Brian Deer has put into your head.