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Zoonoses – a load of cock-and-bull?

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  1. Phoenix Rising Team

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  2. peggy-sue

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    Interesting and forward looking - to an important area. After all, bacteria and viruses can go through several generations rapidly - they are the most adaptable living things on the planet.

    I feel though, that when discussing transmissable spongiform encephalopathies, there should have been some mention of Kuru - the transmissable CJD passed on in a tribe in Papua New Guinea for years and years - long before BSE - with devastating consequences for them all, because of their funeral custom of eating the brains of their dead to honour them. What I don't know is whether or not this was nvCJD being passed on, or CJD itself.
     
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    I was tested for most of the 'usual suspects' by KdM around 12 of them including Borelia - been around dogs and horses all my life, all came back negative - it'd be practically impossible to test for every single bacteria.
    One thing I probably did pick up from the dogs was parvovirus.
     
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    I enjoyed reading this article, Joel. Thank you. I'm looking forward for more.
     
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    Fascinating.

    I wish the mainstream media would cover more of this information, that I have never heard of or see much about. Dr. Walter Tarello should have at least a wikipedia page, if the story is true that he cured himself and his wife. But I see none. I've created them pages for people in the past, but it takes time and energy.
     
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    Thats good to know so can't blame the dogs for anything then, always kept good hygiene with my animals, I really worked hard at that. thanks for the info Sea. Good article explains it very well, don't like the bit about foxes can pass the virus on to dogs - we have a lot of foxes around here, sorry not to offend anyone but I really don't like them,always worried about my dogs over the years, now only have an oldie and wouldn't like her to catch anything.... I'm rambling on a bit!
     
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    There are many TSE strains and the disease this one caused was called Kuru. The laughing death.
     
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  10. Wayne

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    Hi Snowathlete, thanks for the informative article.

    Some of what you wrote reminds me of a story I once heard about a president of a major medical school giving a commencement address in which he stated that probably half of what the graduates just learned in medical school would end up being proven to be wrong within 5 years. He added that unfortunately, nobody knew what half it was.

    I also once watched a PBS program where they speculated how far we have come in understanding the mysteries of many areas of inquiry, including physics, astronomy, medicine, etc. He gave a figure of 4% of what we have truly come to understand reasonably well.

    So whenever I see articles referring to the lack of knowledge by "authorities" in their field, it reminds me of the above. I also often think of this when observing some of the arrogance of modern medicine and health practitioners who act as if they know it all, and if they can't explain something by their own yardsticks, then it must be psychological. It feels like Humility 101 should be a prerequisite for anybody working in the health field.

    Hmmm, I think I just went on a rant! :rolleyes:o_O
     
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    Check out the symptoms of brucellosis in humans:

    http://www.vetmed.wisc.edu/pbs/zoonoses/brucellosis/brucellosishuman.html

    The incubation period is generally 1-2 months, after which the onset of illness may be acute or insidious. Thereafter, symptoms may include:

    an intermittent, "undulating" fever
    headaches, chills, depression, profound weakness
    arthralgia, myalgia
    weight loss
    orchitis/epididymitis in men and spontaneous abortion in pregnant woman
    Brucellosis lasts for days to months, and can be quite debilitating, although the case fatality rate is very low (except in cases of B. melitensis endocarditis).
    Chronic sequelae may include sacroiliitis, hepatic disease, endocarditis, colitis and meningitis.
     
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    Typical on the timing :p

    Giardia is one thing I've wanted to get tested - immediately after moving to the Netherlands, a dog who I had been living with back in Seattle was diagnosed with Giardia. No idea how long she'd had it, but she was constantly trying to slip me some tongue (and occasionally succeeding), so I wouldn't be too surprised if I picked it up from her.
     
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    Interesting. Do you get IBS symptoms? Worth testing either way perhaps, as you know it's been an exposure for you.
    Anyone know which ME/CFS doctors test for it?

    This Giardia outbreak in the water in Bergen made me wonder about the Incline Village/Lake Tahoe outbreak in the 80s - was it Giardia in the water there as well?
     
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    Thanks for your article. I thought it was well written. I had forgotten about the Tarello case.
     
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    I have chronic constipation if I don't take magnesium, but it sounds like after getting diarrhea with the acute infection, constipation is pretty common. And lots of tummy problems, including pain and intermittent diarrhea. But no weight loss. So maybe, maybe not.

    It sounds like it would be a common part of a feces parasite screen, and I see a lot of references to it as part of a Triple Feces Test (TFT). A local Dutch lab runs a parasite screen and a TFT (http://www.europeanlaboratory.nl/ , can select "english" in upper right box) but doesn't specify if giardia is included in those tests (it's not included in the basic feces screen based on the Dutch info sheet). I need to ask them to clarify an ANA result anyhow, so might try to ask them about their parasitology screen and TFT at the same time :p
     
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    The RIVM tested me decades ago. I was negative.
     
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    check this out...im not conspiracy fan, but...u never know. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-aHRMjVHggI
     
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    Thank you calendonia, nice of you to say.

    I can't see that anyone has followed up Dr Tarello's work; tried replicating his findings, done a proper trial of the drug, etc. which is a shame because it looks so promising. His first paper on the subject was in 2001 so perhaps it didn't get the attention that it would today...On the subject of Dr Tarello he is now living and working in Dubai, here is his website. I dont know if anyone knows any experienced veterinarians, but they have an opening for one. An interesting guy to work with, I'd have thought. Given that zoonotics are a major cause of human disease, it's a surprise that we dont see more overlap like this.

    Now that it looks like the FDA are engaged and serious about finding a drug for the illness, I wonder if they might look at these arsenic based drugs as possible candidates for some proper trials.
     
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    Reminds me of Dr Glass that did research on pets that got sick with CFS symtoms after their owners were diagnosed and visa versa in the late 80's.
     
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