Invest in ME Conference 12: First Class in Every Way
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How Gut Bacteria Is Helping To Unpack Chronic Fatigue Syndrome

Discussion in 'General ME/CFS News' started by AndyPR, Feb 3, 2017.

  1. AndyPR

    AndyPR Cookies for Tired Sam

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/20...s-helping-to-unpack-chronic-fatigue-syndrome/
     
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  2. Sasha

    Sasha Fine, thank you

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    @ChrisArmstrong, are you able to tell us what these amino acids and lipids "in a metabolised form" are?
     
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    @Sasha - FWIW, branched chain amino acids (BCAAs) and l-glutamine markedly improved my PEM recovery time, basically cutting it in half. I started taking them 2 years ago last November, and continue to do so.

    Unfortunately, as far as I can tell, they haven't increased my activity window. (But I'll take what I can get!)
     
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    Sasha Fine, thank you

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    Are those amino acids that are "in a metabolised form"? (This stuff is way over my head! :))
     
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    Mary Senior Member

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    Sorry, I don't know what "metabolized form" is either! :confused: However, with amino acids, I seem to have had no problem utilizing them. I'm wondering if @ChrisArmstrong was referring to lipids only, and not amino acids, in a metabolized form. I also wonder if by metabolized form he means something similar to vitamins in a bioavailable form - e.g., taking B6 in the form of P-5-P (pyridoxal-5-phosphate) as opposed to pyridoxine HCl.
     
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    I don't think theres enough research produced on this topic to say that its 'helping', I know of one study which hasn't been replicated which said bacterial concentrations differed, but it seems to entirely be speculation as to whether that would have any effect on the body or how it could possibly sustain the disease, we know that heavily reduced food consumption does not produce an equivalent improvement in health.
     
  7. Murph

    Murph :)

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    I don't know what metabolised forms of lipids are but Chris is part of the research team that includes physician Don Lewis, who recommended to me Amino acids as a PEM preventer, which is discussed in these forums and which I am finding works actually quite well, especially if I also take beta blockers. :)
     
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    @ChrisArmstrong Were conjugated and unconjugated bilirubin levels examined during any of this research? I'm curious because I've fallen down a rabbit hole while trying to learn about the significance of alanine. In reading I found information about elevated bilirubin, which I have, and this led me to information about autoimmune hepatitis (AIH) in which I see that many with that disease also have elevations of alanine and bilirubin, as well as abnormal IgG levels. I have read that many with ME/CFS also have been diagnosed with GIlbert's Syndrome (benign elevation of bilirubin), as have I. Additionally I see there is a relationship between AIH and hypogammaglobulinemia, with which I'm also diagnosed. I underwent a liver biopsy about 12-13 years ago and nothing abnormal was found and no further investigation was conducted. I am curious whether or not this area has been studied in ME/CFS patients.
     

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