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Flush of Vit C - a come back

Discussion in 'General Treatment' started by student, Jun 14, 2017.

  1. student

    student Senior Member

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    Please give this Flush of Vit C a chance- a come back from 6/ 2013(and daily intake is wanted too.) So there were YT's out 3 years.

    Let me talk for a moment about two goops: The verry healthy groop - (5% need 4 gr, anouther 10% 5- 10 gr Vitamin C) has a most easy way for a regular detox. We are not in these tow most healthy groops. (for this groop all this is more complex... lets see). When pushing through the body massiv amounts of vitamin C. It comes to a turning point.
    The number needed underlies quite some variations. But what happens when you hit this maximum intake point? The body opens this helpful pathway. And a massiv flash of lymph (plasma) bypasses the whole colon and comes out via rectum. In this a lot of toxins find their way out. That means by this our bodies have bypassed the complex hepatic Re-uptake system of Toxin also. Through this personal maximum vitamin C intake mark - these toxins can directly flush out.
    This is found under: Vitamin c flush, C cleans - I heard this on Youtube from R. Jaffe.

    While clients numbers here for the reduced Glutathion and a compromised Redox Vitamin C system climb already realy high for this soon. It is more advised to act on this with much profesional help. R Jaffe says: The personalise numbers for this groop in more need to his calculations 11g - 125 g Vitamin C - ths is for 80% of all the people before a personal maximum is reached an
    this flush can happen. So eaven more normal people would plan
    on some 15 gr (with lets say 20 times every 15 minutes intake) Vitamin C, when doing this flush at home.

    In the past - I was not aware that this mechanism is wanted and was aimed at, when we hear about the verry high Vitamin intakes. And saing agein - this is so easy to reach with quite low numbers, when young and still verry healthy.

    Next to Sauna (and infrared via scin detox), this rectum-lymph 'flush' passway - is one of most easy detox mechanisms that I heard of.

    best regards - student
    First go and tell all the healthy friends - to use this. The quality of vitamin c
     
  2. student

    student Senior Member

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    My firsthand C flush source is from 6/2013 R Jaffe
    http://epubs.democratprinting.com/a...ple_Ways_to_Detox/2499331/306929/article.html
    http://www.drrusselljaffe.com/get-lead-safely-naturally/
    It is good to support Selenium, Sulfur (garlic, ginger, onions, Egs), check weather your buffer has Magnesium.

    Half of these sugested 125 g of the 80% (is seen 60- 70 gr) here. Good quality vit C - orderd throug the professional.
    as a more unhealthy person used 6 gr (as 2 spoons); healthy only take 1,5 g (that is half spoon, medium is 3g like one spoon). Please mesure verry exactly your milligrams - your spoon takes.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
    nI6ypqxUlvU
    We want - the dayli intake. Calculate precicly. treat every day. This lady sais the flush is - once a week. (Her personal example: she took 36 gr Ascorbate) - wants to give weekly flushes for 6 month. and after this every forthnight a flush for one year. In this exampel the lady takes 2 days off. But the 75% of your own number dayli. And the next flush is planed after 8 days.
     
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  3. pattismith

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    15gr every 15 mn x 20 which makes 300 gr!

    every day! How long do you do that? Did you have side effects?

    Do you need to fast before?

    Ascorbic acid brings a lot of acidity in the blood, are you sure it can't harm?
     
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  4. PinkPanda

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    I would be careful with this approach. You can overdose vitamin c. The daily requirement is about 200mg and i guess doses of a few grams shoulnd't be an issue but the doses you are talking about are on a whole different level.
    Vitamin c overdosage symptoms are vomiting, diarrhea, insomnia, etc and an increased risk for kindes stones.

    Oxidized vitamin c is either regenerated by glutathione or broken down via diketogulonic acid to oxalate. High oxalate increases the risk for kidney stones. With these high doses there could be a high breakdown to oxalate because there is not enouh glutathione to regenerate the vitamin c.
     
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    @PinkPanda
    I always thought ALA is regenerating Vit. C.
    Any sources on glutathione?

    I also remember right now that Rich said low dose vit. c is depleting glutathione and high doses are increasing glutathione.....
     
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    Haha, I'm keen to try this - but I need a day when I don't have anything else that I need to do.

    I'll report how I do on this thread ;)
     
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  8. pamojja

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    I did it once some years ago. And yes it's demanding and you need a day off. During my waking hours took 3 g an hour. A bid more - 50 g in total per day - and I would 'flush'. Continued with a more normal high dose, in average 23 g ascorbic acid per day the last 8 years.

    The intended effect is a watery stool, after a slightly decrease in intake stops it right away. From my regular high intake had mostly beneficial side benefits. As I wrote somewhere else:

    No need to fast. My blood ph tested 3 times with arterial blood gases came back consistently at 7,48 (7.35 - 7.45 normal range) with a base-excess of in average 3..3 (-2 - +3 mmol/l normal). No kidney stones, despite that much ascorbic acid for years and a high oxalate diet.
     
  9. Learner1

    Learner1 Professional Patient

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    I've gotten many high dose vitamin C IVs (50-100g) and done a lot of detoxing under the supervision of expert doctors and paired with regular lab testing.

    In my experience, vitamin C was not a primary detox mechanism - I had it in fighting cancer and infections. It was also used in concert with other antioxidants...alpha lipoic acid, glutathione, NAC, vitamin A, vitamin E, some orally, and some IV.

    Antioxidants work synergistically and taking too much of one without the others is asking for trouble.

    Vitamin C interacts with glucose metabolism. It also creates oxidative stress, which is how it helps with killing cancer and unfection, which is a good thing. But too much of a good thing can be bad, so its wise to be educated and to be careful, ideally under a doctor's supervision.
     
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  10. student

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    Hallo again ; ).
    @pattismith: YES one patient might end - with a verry high uptake. Lets say 50- 90 gr. (SEE Details below) forgive me, when I had muddled up figures:

    And, Yes follow precisly what HE/at page 2 - says: A discribtion I fond - (You have chosen a groop and therefore take - A: half tsp, - B: one tsp, or - C: two tsp - every 15 min)/ a n d we all are more likely to be in the third groop. That means taking two tsp. And this calculates as - 8gr taken EVERRY 15 min... SEE: http://www.perque.com/wheybetterguard/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/PIH_History-Of-The-C-Cleanse.pdf
    Jaffe started this 1980. This one is his product. http://www.drrusselljaffe.com/c-cleanse-different/
    http://www.perque.com/products-page/foundation/perque-potent-c-guard-powder/
     
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    @PinkPanda: YES this concept is the verry C flush- challenge. (The verry healthy People might use such a DETOX therapie easely.) I still wait for this special buffered Vitamin C brand - that I have ordered - and trust that all this is promissing. The verry end-point is not at the start of first bowl movements. But it says, that I should wait and want to go through towards the verry watery stool. (I better prepare my desaster pans.) Thogether with this lympf-alike-fluid poop. What will be coming out of the rectum?? In this I will be loosing Metalls (and some minerals). That is the HOPE. The most important part - this can bypass our gut and the colon. This way the Toxin-load should get no chance of being re-upsorbed.
    And - Thank you. To my knoledge @PinkPanda: - Dr Jaffe had helped a number of sicker patients as well. And in YT talks he had not yet spoken about such things. (And he never reported such
    un-pysiological sideeffects.) To my understanding toxins are avoided - that is part of this strategy. And those mentioned are natural substances that the body handels well in its bichemical Pathways.
     
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    @ Notthisguy: Yes, To my knoledge higher doses of vitamin C support the Glutathion. Where as: The Vitamin C-Half-life can be in the more-neady client be near to 30 min (Dr Jaffe). In a 'maxiumum-Flux-strategie' much of this vitamin C will deterorate before this is fully used. And the main point again is to still build up to the verry end- point

    A high Vitamin C (a 50% or/ the 75% of this maximum) intake according to Jaffe, can be continued... before repeating this same DETOX after 7- 10 days.
     
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    I do think about - my secondary strategies in addition to this protocoll. (also before and after DETOX) my good sleeping and sun exposure - can be helpfull. Yes, @Panojja: a Flatulense is a verry likely sideffect. Bowls work diffrent. What about the stress - while fluid excretion. (This was never mentioned much. no?? ) A refilling of minerals is helpfull. Any detailed sugestions - what to start on the day after.

    The specifique strategie is about moving (and redistributing) the verry Toxique load. Thanks @Lennert.
    I will consider taking this. I have ALA in Powder form. ALA (alphalipoic acid) is a good and easy 'second' chelater . I have detoxed with ALA. I place ALA powder into the verry back of my tongue/ or throat. (I want some therapie effect towards a bad Tooth cavity). Every 30 min for ALA is my plan. I stick to the same ALA dosing (50- 80mg) and only a slight little dosing - going higher towards the End of my 'vitamin C flush'.
    * ALA works best in a realy good quality.
     
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    Mark Levine at NIH found only so much can be absorbed through the intestines. For higher doses, it must be IV.

    If you're trying to detox, you might look into PolyMVA, which is an ALA polymer, and can pull toxins out of the mitochondria where they might be blocking ATP production.
     
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    As far as I know, only up to 1.5 g of vitamin C have been used in absorption studies. And absorption of higher doses calculated only. Except this one odd study, which actually measured levels up to 20 g/d.

    Again: Self-reported daily intake varied from 0 to 20 g/day. The plasma AA levels ranged from 11.4 to 517 µmol/L and correlated well with the reported intake.

    500 µmol/L are plasma levels to be expected from IV only. But in this one odd oral study - where plasma levels were actually measured and not only extrapolated - it was just as easily reached!
     
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    Sounds like my experiment with carcinine.
    The one you posted is a letter (scroll down to p. 49)
    The actual study is here.
    Copplestone et al. cited in the letter is here on page 19.

    Many people incl. myself report intolerance to vit C relating the adverse reactions to endogenous conversion of ascorbic acid into oxalate (which actually results from increased glycation, I believe) or to high sulfite added to powders (sulfite intolerance is also due to increased glycation, I believe). I think that in the process of increased glycation there is thiamine destruction/antagonism by oxalates and sulfites.

    While my personal issues clearly indicate against vit C supplementation, it does seem that many people can benefit from it.

    Here for the pesrpective of nutrient balance with vit C supplementation.
     
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    Really loved Acu-cell site the first time I read it many years ago. If only anything it said would also hold true for me..

    Mega doses of ascorbic acid should lower copper, in my case after 9 years it did not (serum and whole blood).
    .. should lower zinc, in my case .. not.
    .. should lower manganese, in my .. not.
    .. should lower calcium, .. it normalized it from consistently below normal (serum and hair)
    .. should raise vitamin E needs and thereby might cause angina pain, got rid of my angina pain.

    If Acu-cell would have got just 1 item right - apologized. But in such a case were all 4 predictions of mega dose ascorbic acid turn out flatly wrong, it remains just an example of different bio-chemical-individuality, but not the least applicable.
     
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  20. student

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    There is doctors that have like
    R. Cathcart - taken more than 20 thousand patients - trough the high vitamin C experience.

    I (student) flushed and have reached my 79 gr Intake. So Let me focus on those 2 (a Groop A) that take beyond 50 gr or (Groop B - in need) easily beyond the 90 gr mark.

    A: 50- 80 gr. B: 90- 120 gr. Having reached either of those levels - there may still be 30 gr / or 20 gr to
     

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