Why this reaction to CALCIUM D GLUCARATE?!?

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I had a horrible setback after a stint on birth control pills and it threw me into the estrogen dominance storm! I’m already predisposed to estrogen dominance but when I had msssive menstrual bleeding for 3 months, it was either bleed to death or take the damn pills. I so regret it since acupuncture was what stopped the momentary bleeding.

Now I’m trying to eliminate the excess estrogen to help the anxiety/fear, hot flashes, MANY ED symptoms to subside. First I started on a 50mg DIM that produced an excruciating headache that lasted for weeks despite me stopping the product. I thought ‘okay I got the estrogen brewing in my blood now....great’.

I took 50-100mg of calcium d glucarate to help the detox along and it finally eased the headaches a bit except now i’m left exhausted! To the point where i’m having anxiety and heart palps! It’s been 2 days since that dose and the anxiety/palps are still with me!!!! Im thankful the headache has died down but i feel like a mental case.

Why am I reacting this way to a ‘wonder’ supplement that has ladies and men singing praises?!? Does it affect my hypothyroid or adrenals? Is it detoxing something more than my bad estrogen?? How else can I get rid of all this excess estrogen if I cant even resort to DIM or CDG. My next plan of attack is just to eat apples/broccoli/ and raw carrots.
 

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I have no idea the answer to your important question, but I must say, @tootsieroll
I am SO very sorry. That sounds like an awful experience.

It does sound like eating foods that particularly help, is a good way to try.

I wish I knew more , but don't so I cannot advise at all,
but I do care!
Anyone would have a terrible time, to deal with that series of experiences.
 
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Thank you for the support!! It is so comforting because the medical professionals have all been scratching their heads and this has left me feeling scared and alone. The higher I went on the birth control, the more my mental state deteriorated and then to be told by the gyno ‘some women react this way to the pill’. So it was either reduce myself to a person debilitated by the mental condition the pill was causing or it was to run out of his office fast and never look back. I ran so fast to find an acupuncturist cause I knew conventional medicine was a dead end. My only options given were birth control or surgery. I thought ‘I don’t want to maim my body just because you can’t find the answer to my problem’.

Acupuncture wasn’t a cure as it only stopped the bleeding for that month. The pills left me with a hormonal imbalance worse than before. My last menstrual period came and I still bled out except there was a bigger timeframe between the gushing. My body is slowly rectifying itself. My monthly period is here once again and I’m crossing my fingers I don’t have to go back to the expensive acupuncture sessions. Which why it is paramount I do my due diligence and help my body heal rather than just masking or temporarily deactivating the problem.

I hope someone else will come across my post and give me some insight. But thank you Shoshana for your kind words. It is so needed right now *hugs*
 

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Hello tootsie,

what kind of birth control pill did you used?
Birth control pills with progesterone only exist. Maybe it would be more helpful for you if you think estrogens are harmful to you?
 
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Hi pattismith. I seem to convert anything synthetic into estrogen. They gave me prometrium at the beginning but it only lasted about 2 doses until I woke up in a panic attack drenched in sweat and I couldn't cool down from that hot flash. Was really frightening. So I think my issue is to eliminate estrogen rather than supplement with something to offset the levels.

To go back further in my story, the whole reason this bleeding started was because my naturopath gave me something called glutathione. It delayed my period when I was on it and then once I stopped taking it, thats when the gushing happened. It must have triggered my hypothalamus in some way because I remembered it having a cognitive effect, and that in turn imbalanced my hormone levels. My body either started producing or releasing huge amounts of estrogen to cause nonstop bleeding like that. I have to find a way to balance my body again.
 
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Anyone? I just thought i’d try even less DIM and CDG by taking 1/8 of a capsule. Don’t know the outcome till tomorrow but I notice that my body is getting warmer but not into a full blown hotflash. I don’t know how to discern if this is a detox reaction or if this is DIM actually doing the opposite for me and making estrogen more active hence the hot flashes when I take it. The hot flashes do not happen with calcium d glucarate alone. What the heck is happening? Maybe my health is too fragile to handle these.
 
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Well now I feel like crying. The dose last night has me hot flashing like mad and heart palpitations. Ive been gasping for air in my sleep cus I can’t breathe due to anxiety. Oh god what have I done to myself. I hope this will go away if I stop everything. Last time I had awful headaches/hot flashes from a dose of DIM and it didnt go away till i took a calcium d glucarate. But I took a small dose of CDG along with DIM last night so im not sure why I still feel the hot flashes. Im so stupid for trying to experiment. I just wanted to feel better and now I feel 100x worse. Even my hands and feet are hot flashing..ugh. Trying so hard not to cry. My theory is DIM is stirring up my estrogen and while CDG helps detox the estrogen DIM activates, hence I feel better from DIM side effects, but it also causes anxiety becus it detoxes more than just the estrogen out of me. Can this be possible? I hope someone replies. I feel really alone.
 
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I had a very similar reaction to the estrogen dominance supplements. Seeking Health DIM + IC3 and 500mg Thorne Calcium D Glucarate and milk thistle. I took this stack for some time after dutch saliva test showed high estrogen. The first two months was life changing for my mood and well being, so it was clear and correct diagnosis that I needed to rid the estrogen. After about the 3rd month, I started feeling high estrogen again; hot flashes, palmar erythema (red palms), and not feeling great. I think these are powerful agents; it is very frustrating how little information there is online about CDG side effects, so I can't point out whether that caused some prolonged problems, but I definitely think DIM can lower or raise estrogen depending on your levels. In my case, I think this protocol lowered the estrogen in a good way those first two months, and then I should've stopped them / pulsed them, rather than continue to take them. I think continuing to take for too long then raised estrogen that day and cause estrogen attacks. I am male btw. I continue with the milk thistle, though I worry about the finicky oxalate dumping people on this forum complain about.
 
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Hope someone else replies, hormones are tricky... it's hard to give insight.
In my experience the hormonal imbalances are always shifting, weather or not I'm using supplements or trying to interfere, and if I just give it time that seems like the best bet.

I've had times of super heavy bleeding, and other times of high androgens, anovulation, bad PMS, now I have no PMS whatsoever... but problems around ovulation.

Can your doctor order bloodwork for your hormones? I like to keep checking them but I know it doesn't give all the answers.A naturopath might have ideas about gentle liver support, although the food you listed sounds like a great idea. Less risk. Glutathione might have been too powerful or had some other affect like you mentioned (I know lots of people on PR recommend it but I've never tried it, just NAC which is supposed to boost it).

I do OK with calcium d glucarate but I can't say it's ever made an obvious impact on anything (hard to know). I also used activated charcoal powder once in awhile when my estrogen felt high (supposedly it binds to estrogen and everything else it comes across in the GI system) but I have no idea if the science behind AC is good or not (can't remember anything I've researched). I have it around my house because it seems to help when I accidentally consume gluten (to lessen GI reaction).
 
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Thanks @WinterWren. I feel like such an anomaly. I didn't tolerate quarter of a Calcium d Glucarate either. Gave me heart palps/anxiety and I remained exhausted for a week after that one dose. Even gluten has uncommon results in me. Most people experience GI effects but for me, it causes major phlegm in throat to the point where it's difficult to breathe.

I've been bleeding heavily again this month and only thing able to stop it is acupuncture for a week but same thing will happen all over again next month. I went to see my regular gp for hormone panel. I'm wasn't sure what to ask for. I was given a requisition for LH,FSH,testosterone, estradiol, progesterone, prolactin, liver ALT, DHEA, thyroid. He said anything beyond that, he would need to send me to a specialist. I know it's not as accurate as a saliva test but at least it will show me the estrogen progesterone ratio.

@Saint George, is the Dutch saliva test most accurate? Do you think you would have done better on a very very low dose? I was thinking of using Natures Way DIM plus. It's only 12.5mg of DIM per pill and it says to take up to 5 capsules but I'll play it safe and stick to 1-2.

PS. I have the strangest ED symptom since taking that last birth control pill in August 2018. I had severe nasal congestion which I thought was from a cold. Cold left but congestion stayed. Miraculously the nasal congestion went away when I trialed the DIM+CDG. It came back a week after my experiments ended. Estrogen causes major inflammation! I'm hoping in future this will be gone along with the post nasal drip.
 
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