Vitamin C, Ascorbic Acid vs Sodiumascorbate

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Mainly on most empty stomach. Therefore, first thing after getting up before breakfast (very late for me at noon), before dinner in the evening and before sleep. Averages at about 8 g per dose. During the rhinitis season, in the midst of Pollen flight, every 2 hours.

Varied greatly through the years, though. From 7 g/d the first year, to 34 g/d the covid year (not suffered, without vaccine).
 
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Mainly on most empty stomach. Therefore, first thing after getting up before breakfast (very late for me at noon), before dinner in the evening and before sleep. Averages at about 8 g per dose. During the rhinitis season, in the midst of Pollen flight, every 2 hours.

Varied greatly through the years, though. From 7 g/d the first year, to 34 g/d the covid year (not suffered, without vaccine).
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But start much lower and increase gradually over days, week and months. Some can tolerate much less at first, which might increase over time. A watery bowel-movement is the sure sign it was too much, take less the next dose again. Bowel-tolerance can fluctuate, with diseases it naturally goes up. Above 100 g per day in some, like cancer. Upto 50 g per day, in my case, due to rhinitis.

There is also an individual limit for each separate dose, in my case at 10 g. So in case of diseases, where one needs higher intake despite low tolerance, more frequent doses than the usual 3, down to every 20 minutes in the case of an acute cold, for example, can be employed to increase intake despite low tolerance.

Overall, reported flu and cold symptoms in the test group decreased 85% compared with the control group after the administration of megadose Vitamin C. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10543583/

Linus Pauling gave the wide range of usually 6-18 g, or more a day as therapeutic window of vitamin C, due to biochemical individuality. Which was exactly my experience, too, the first year. Improvements of walking disability, and a 2 years persisting skin-rush on my back, started to commence only, after reaching above 6 g/d.

Without having to because tolerating acidity, I also used a high magnesium containing mineral water (1g of Mg per liter) and mainly for potassium its bicarbonate form. So I also got about 6.6 g/d of bicarbonate between the two. Mixed in water the ascorbic acid, therefore about 13 g of it was actually consumed as mineral ascorbate. And 12 g as ascorbic acid only, in my case.

Vitamin C in my experience, is a rare nutrient which can be dosed high, without needing co-factors (of course, always test for deficiencies of other nutrients, where you can; I therefore did supplement all the electrolytes in high doses, and which might actually be the co-factor for high vitamin C). Other than all B-vitamins needing each other, or vitamin D3, which at least may need magnesium, vitamin A and K.
 
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But start much lower and increase gradually over days, week and months. Some can tolerate much less at first, which might increase over time. A watery bowel-movement is the sure sign it was too much, take less the next dose again. Bowel-tolerance can fluctuate, with diseases it naturally goes up. Above 100 g per day in some, like cancer. Upto 50 g per day, in my case, due to rhinitis.

There is also an individual limit for each separate dose, in my case at 10 g. So in case of diseases, where one needs higher intake despite low tolerance, more frequent doses than the usual 3, down to every 20 minutes in the case of an acute cold, for example, can be employed to increase intake despite low tolerance.



Linus Pauling gave the wide range of usually 6-18 g, or more a day as therapeutic window of vitamin C, due to biochemical individuality. Which was exactly my experience, too, the first year. Improvements of walking disability, and a 2 years persisting skin-rush on my back, started to commence only, after reaching above 6 g/d.

Without having to because tolerating acidity, I also used a high magnesium containing mineral water (1g of Mg per liter) and mainly for potassium its bicarbonate form. So I also got about 6.6 g/d of bicarbonate between the two. Mixed in water the ascorbic acid, therefore about 13 g of it was actually consumed as mineral ascorbate. And 12 g as ascorbic acid only, in my case.

Vitamin C in my experience, is a rare nutrient which can be dosed high, without needing co-factors (of course, always test for deficiencies of other nutrients, where you can; I therefore did supplement all the electrolytes in high doses, and which might actually be the co-factor for high vitamin C). Other than all B-vitamins needing each other, or vitamin D3, which at least may need magnesium, vitamin A and K.
Thank you for the details. I started raising my dosage by taking plain ascorbate with meals and some extra mixed in orange juice. I'm not sure how much I took yesterday, just too busy combined with being too tired, but I will start keeping track of how much I take today. I took maybe 4 grams and already see some good results.
 

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https://acu-cell.com/vitc.html effect of high doses of Vitamin C on Copper, Zinc, Manganese, and Calcium:
I now disregard, since all my blood and hair tissue mineral analysis showed It's not really applicable to me, for now more than 16 years. It doesn't have references to actual studies for its claims.

Ferritin stayed low. Depletion of calcium shown in HTMA only, actually improved. Too high copper wasn't corrected. Manganese fluctuated, but in average didn't change. Zinc improved in blood and HTMA somewhat from too low.

I'm not sure how much I took yesterday, just too busy combined with being too tired,
I only measure the bottle of ascorbic acid at the end of the month, to know how much I've got. A teaspoon is about 5 g.
 
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I only measure the bottle of ascorbic acid at the end of the month, to know how much I've got. A teaspoon is about 5 g.
Thanks again, pamojja.

I am not even sure how many capsules I took because I am so ridiculously flaky on days when everyone is home, I run an errand or two, cooking, taking care of the dogs, that I don't even know how many capsules I've taken. Some days like that I hardly take anything that I need to take. My memory gets messed up, too.

I started writing down how much I take right when I take it.

I have some powdered, too, and will start taking that, too.
 

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Since I take many other supplements, I try to avoid even more binders and fillers from capsules and tablets (in so many gram doses, not so healthy), by using pure bulk powders where available and practical. As with ascorbic acid, inositol, amino acids, herbal powders etc.

Certainly, not much of an issue, when otherwise supplementing much less, and only a few grams of vitamin C a day.
 

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Since I take many other supplements, I try to avoid even more binders and fillers from capsules and tablets (in so many gram doses, not so healthy), by using pure bulk powders where available and practical. As with ascorbic acid, inositol, amino acids, herbal powders etc.

Certainly, not much of an issue, when otherwise supplementing much less, and only a few grams of vitamin C a day.
I agree about using bulk powders. My daughter gave me a big bottle of Quali-C capsules, and after that's gone, I'll get it in powder form. My sodium ascorbate is powder.

One thing that the higher dose of Vitamin C seems to be helping with is that I'm not as itchy as usual.
Also, I had a very stressful day yesterday, didn't sleep much last night, and made it through the day half decently.
 

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One thing that the higher dose of Vitamin C seems to be helping with is that I'm not as itchy as usual.
Have you tried mixing sodium ascorbate powder with a lotion? Works well for various kinds of skin conditions. Adding a pinch of bentonite clay seems to lessen some of my skin itching.
 

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Have you tried mixing sodium ascorbate powder with a lotion? Works well for various kinds of skin conditions. Adding a pinch of bentonite clay seems to lessen some of my skin itching.
No, I haven't tried that, but I will. I will add the clay, too. I will try that on my postherpetic neuralgia, too.

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One thing that the higher dose of Vitamin C seems to be helping with is that I'm not as itchy as usual.
Have you tried mixing sodium ascorbate powder with a lotion? Works well for various kinds of skin conditions. Adding a pinch of bentonite clay seems to lessen some of my skin itching.
Linus Pauling gave the wide range of usually 6-18 g, or more a day as therapeutic window of vitamin C, due to biochemical individuality. Which was exactly my experience, too, the first year. Improvements of walking disability, and a 2 years persisting skin-rush on my back, started to commence only, after reaching above 6 g/d.

I'm not very persistent with external applications.

But ascorbic acid helps with skin conditions internally at a therapeutic dose too, as my experience showed.
 
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