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'There is Something Biologically Terribly Wrong With These People' Medscape on NIH ME Conference

Countrygirl

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https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/911906



'Milestone' Meeting Highlights NIH Efforts to Combat ME/CFS

Miriam E. Tucker

April 17, 2019



"There Is Something Biologically Terribly Wrong With These People"

Immunologist Derya Unutmaz, MD, who heads the NIH-funded Jackson Laboratory, has found immune system disturbances in deidentified cell samples from patients with ME/CFS, particularly in CD8 cells and T-helper 17 cells, which are involved in tissue inflammation.

While emphasizing that the precise relevance of the findings is not yet clear, Unutmaz told Medscape Medical News, "There are some really major perturbations.... When I look at the data, there's something biologically terribly wrong with these people. I studied HIV for many years. This is the type of thing you would see in HIV-infected people."

A graduate student of Hanson's, Alex Maldonaro, presented data from their laboratory showing that in cytotoxic CD8 T cells from patients with ME/CFS, metabolism is diminished compared with healthy T cells when stimulated. She said they hope to investigate how that deficiency affects immune function, as well as other metabolic pathways to better understand the disease mechanism.

Long-time ME/CFS researcher W. Ian Lipkin, MD, of Columbia University, presented data from that center's deep dive into bacteriomic, viromic, metabolomic, and epigenetic analyses. In examining the microbiology, for example, a notable finding was that in fecal samples from patients with ME/CFS, levels of bacteria that produce butyrate are reduced. Butyrate is important for controlling immune system function and apoptosis.

Other findings presented at the meeting included preliminary data from Jonas Bergquist, PhD, professor of pathology at Uppsala University, Sweden, demonstrating significantly elevated levels of neuroinflammatory biomarkers in cerebrospinal fluid of ME/CFS patients. In addition, whole-brain magnetic resonance spectroscopy data from Jarred W. Younger, PhD, of the University of Alabama at Birmingham, revealed metabolite and temperature abnormalities in several brain regions of ME/CFS patients.

Virologist Jose G. Montoya, MD, professor of medicine at Stanford University, California, presented the latest in his long-standing work on cytokine networks in ME/CFS and their associations with disease symptoms and severity. He has recently found correlations with HLA genetic susceptibility regions that are also linked to autoimmune conditions, including Hashimoto thyroiditis and primary biliary cirrhosis.

"ME/CFS is now an unfolding story of scientific discoveries that will result in targeted treatments for what appears to be a chronic, incapacitating inflammatory syndrome. The data from various groups are pointing in this direction," Montoya said.
 

Mary

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"There are some really major perturbations.... When I look at the data, there's something biologically terribly wrong with these people. I studied HIV for many years. This is the type of thing you would see in HIV-infected people."
You have to be very sick to find yourself elated to be compared to persons with HIV - and I'm elated to hear this.

Medscape seems to be a on a roll in covering ME/CFS in an intelligent pathfinder way. They may very well have been doing this for quite awhile, and I've only recently become aware of it.
 

taniaaust1

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You have to be very sick to find yourself elated to be compared to persons with HIV - and I'm elated to hear this.

Medscape seems to be a on a roll in covering ME/CFS in an intelligent pathfinder way. They may very well have been doing this for quite awhile, and I've only recently become aware of it.

yes its not new to be compared to AIDS patients,. In fact at one point (10-15 years? ago) many where calling ME/CFS - "Non HIV AIDS" or "Non AIDS AIDS" so some were seeing us as like an AIDS subgroup

https://www.bmj.com/rapid-response/2011/10/30/non-hiv-aids-now-one-percent-aids-cases
By the way, the original ICL (Non-HIV AIDS) cases seem to have been mostly people who had been diagnosed with "Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. Do the Non-HIV AIDS cases therefore help support the claim that AIDS and CFS
are part of the same epidemic?

The bottom line here is that there may be an epidemic of Non-HIV AIDS that has been swept under the rug by the HIV establishment

Idiopathic CD4+ T-lymphocytopenia, or ICL, is an immunodeficiency
syndrome in which human immunodeficiency virus, or HIV, cannot be
detected. Because HIV is the causative agent of acquired immune deficiency
syndrome (AIDS), ICL can be referred to as Non-HIV AIDS. As in AIDS
patients, Non-HIV AIDS patients exhibit reduced numbers of CD4+ T-
lymphocytes, and many Non-HIV AIDS patients have developed the
opportunistic infections or otherwise rare cancers associated with AIDS.
.....................................

One of our world wide known ME specialists used to be an AIDS specialist before she was a ME specialist and used to at times compare our illness to AIDs.. and has said we presented much sicker than her AIDS patients.
 
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S-VV

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"When I look at the data, there's something biologically terribly wrong with these people. I studied HIV for many years. This is the type of thing you would see in HIV-infected people."

*Dr Mikovits wants to know your location*
 

Rufous McKinney

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I'm elated to hear this

Yeah. Weird.

This illness comes with a type of nagging doubt, that there was simply SOMETHING you missed, SOMETHING you didn't quite do right. Then: it comes with the vague rumors of: well This helped or That helped. Or that one got better. Then that one didn't. So it creates a type of.....(ummm)...Fun House effect...(see Carnivals, with wobbly mirrors and crooked floors and sideways tilts). And the Fun House can be fun, but you do WANT to get out of there, eventually.

the Fun House is often kinda dark, and nobody leaves crumbs. You have no flashlight. I remember one in which your suddenly outside, like you were freed, But that was an illusion. Your still: navigating the mysteries.