Teitelbaum-suggested Recovery Factors has been helping

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Hello PR,

I just wanted to let people know that I have been having good results with Recovery Factors, a supplement that blends all of the amino acids. https://recoveryfactors.com/ . Dr. Teitelbaum recently did a study on RF, which indicated it was helpful to the majority of study participants, and I have been taking it for the last 2 months. I have noticed improvement in 2 main areas: physical stamina/orthostatic intolerance, and mood/sleep/mental energy.

As far as physical energy, before taking RF, I could very occasionally rustle up the energy to take a short walk, but sometimes I would go a month or more between neighborhood walks. Nowadays, however, I actually look forward to short walks (a 1-2 block walk loop) daily, and sometimes will even take two shorter walks in a day, with no crash afterward. I hit the 2-block mark fairly quickly, but haven't been able to go much further than that, as if I try a longer walk, I will start feeling crashy foreshadowings, and may have to sit down halfway through, to preempt a crash due to pushing too much. It's nice to be able to enjoy walks again, though. I used to not be able to stand for very long at all before feeling crashy, and I think my standing tolerance has increased proportionately to my walking endurance. I should point out, though, that I started wearing compression tights (another Teitelbaum-suggested remedy for OI) about the same time as I started the RF, and I think the tights should also share some of the credit for my OI improvement.

By far the most impressive effects have been in the area of mood. Before starting RF, I was experiencing fairly regular anxiety about the crisis of the day, and often would wake up in the morning with anxiety, when it was usually at its strongest. I tried all sorts of supplements and behavioral/thought techniques, which helped somewhat to manage symptoms, but didn't make the anxiety go away. The RF was definitely a game-changer in the anxiety department. It appears that a feeling of improved "mental well-being" is a fairly common response for people taking RF, and that was certainly the case for me. Over the last 2 months, frequency and severity of morning anxiety and anxiety in general has greatly diminished. I can even identify situations that would have made the old, pre-RF me feel anxious, and it is like there is a disconnect between the stimulus and what would have been the old anxiety response (racing/obsessing thoughts, physical symptoms), and I just don't see the situation as worrisome. I am in a pretty good mood most of the day, and rarely have mental crashes/tiredness if I stay within my limits. I also seem to be better rested and less tired in the morning. Another interesting effect is that I have been dreaming again, which I hadn't done regularly for a long time, probably due to poor sleep quality.

After a loading dose, RF recommends 8 tablets per day, which I have been doing. However, I switched from swallowing them in two daily doses to just sucking on them and absorbing them sublingually throughout the day, which I have found greatly increases their efficacy. RF customer support has been responsive to questions, and can offer suggestions to get the most out of it. It ships out of Hong Kong.

Has anyone else tried Recovery Factors?
 

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Its basically the essential amino acids with some heme added.
The amounts are very small, you probably would not live very long is this was your only protein source.

Its hard to suggest this would be superior to protein powder because there is so little essential aminos in this that its hard to think it would tip the balance of anything even if some non essential aminos in protein powder or our diets are causing us energy generation problems.
 

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Not that i know of, hence i said even if.
But if they did then we would have trouble eating as many if not most foods that contain protein.
For me it looks like an overpriced AA supp with iron. I wouldn't buy it.
Agreed.
I do find protein powder helps me but it has to be the good stuff with the immune factors intact. I buy a 2lb bottle for $20 on sale and thats expensive, i could get the cheap stuff for half the price if i were a body builder and just needed the protein part
 
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Not that i know of, hence i said even if.
But if they did then we would have trouble eating as many if not most foods that contain protein.

Agreed.
I do find protein powder helps me but it has to be the good stuff with the immune factors intact. I buy a 2lb bottle for $20 on sale and thats expensive, i could get the cheap stuff for half the price if i were a body builder and just needed the protein part
I'm curious... Which one do you use?
 
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Hello PR,

I just wanted to let people know that I have been having good results with Recovery Factors, a supplement that blends all of the amino acids. https://recoveryfactors.com/ .
$60 is an extremely predatory price for a tablet that consists of amino acids and some iron.

Compare the ingredients list of FOUR tablets here: https://recoveryfactors.com/shop/recovery-factors

To the amino acid content of 100g of chicken (less than $1): https://fitaudit.com/food/104790/amino

Amino acids aren't a scarce, expensive supplement. They're in every protein source you consume. You don't need pills or even whey protein to consume amino acids in quantity. Even small amounts of meat in a diet will contribute more amino acids than taking 9 of these egregiously expensive pills every day.

The pills do have a small, but significant amount of iron if you're taking 9 per day in addition to a regular day. You could consider adding more iron-rich foods or even an iron supplement, but don't overdue it as you can overdose on iron supplements.

If you must supplement amino acids and meat consumption isn't an option, any whey protein will work. You will get far more amino acids through any why protein or meat than you can consume in small tablets.
 
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Dr. Teitelbaum recently did a study on RF, which indicated it was helpful to the majority of study participants, and I have been taking it for the last 2 months. I have noticed improvement in 2 main areas: physical stamina/orthostatic intolerance, and mood/sleep/mental energy.
I'm glad it's helping you @Mr. Cat.

The only thing I would be concerned about is that it has tryptophan in it.

Somewhere on PR recently someone was experiencing a worsening of symptoms on this, I believe, and many of us mentioned issues that arose from taking either tryptophan or 5-htp.

Also with Dr Teitelbaum, he's very good with helping people with chronic fatigue but I don't think he really understands that that is different than ME/CFS (Chronic Fatigue Syndrome).

ME/CFS is something that no one in medicine or science has been able to figure out yet.

Hopefully, they will soon though.

Edit: I found that thread I mentioned above: https://forums.phoenixrising.me/threads/metabolic-trap-who-got-worse-on-l-tryptophan.84658/

Also for some of us with ammonia issues, taking protein supplements seems to make it worse. When I took them recently, within about 20 minutes I could feel what I believe was a build up of ammonia in my spine and back muscles and that spread to my legs.

L-ornithine helped lessen that but I still had that very painful burning muscle tightening sensation for several days afterward.

Anyway, just another thing to watch for as you are taking them.
 
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I just heard an interview that Dan Neuffer did with Dr Teitelbaum. And the doctor says that 91% of people with CFS recover. He said he has only 1 patient who is bed bound. Now, I just don't get this. WE saw this doctor and he is very personable but all his supplements simply didn't change anything. I am very discouraged by the interview because it makes it sound like the patient is responsible for being housebound and bed bound and not following his protocol. He is also offering a free protocol for POTS. He makes it sound like it is pretty easy to get out of this hell. I did not hear any mention of PEM in the interview, just fatigue--lots of fatigue.
 

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I just heard an interview that Dan Neuffer did with Dr Teitelbaum. And the doctor says that 91% of people with CFS recover. He said he has only 1 patient who is bed bound. Now, I just don't get this. WE saw this doctor and he is very personable but all his supplements simply didn't change anything. I am very discouraged by the interview because it makes it sound like the patient is responsible for being housebound and bed bound and not following his protocol. He is also offering a free protocol for POTS. He makes it sound like it is pretty easy to get out of this hell. I did not hear any mention of PEM in the interview, just fatigue--lots of fatigue.
Yep, to be fair I think most of these doctors believe their own hype. The same way 'traditional' doctors don't think they've failed their CFS patients, they just think they're not really ill. The 'CFS Specialists' believe they've truly helped their patients get better, so the ones who didn't aren't following their protocol properly.

This is why RCTs are needed, because my unscientific guess is that 91% of people with mild CFS 'recover' on their own if they take Recovery Factor or if they use healing crystals. Doesn't really matter, although 'recover' can mean different things when we can't even quantify the loss of function.

The 9% (obviously these numbers are just made up) who are moderate or especially severe - rarely have the same level of recovery. There are some stories of it, but often the people are vague about what helped them, or claim something that many others have tried without success. Which is my hope (and belief to a degree) that even those of us somewhere on the severe scale might improve even without a magical cure, we just don't know how or when or even if.
 

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I just heard an interview that Dan Neuffer did with Dr Teitelbaum. And the doctor says that 91% of people with CFS recover. He said he has only 1 patient who is bed bound. Now, I just don't get this. WE saw this doctor and he is very personable but all his supplements simply didn't change anything. I am very discouraged by the interview because it makes it sound like the patient is responsible for being housebound and bed bound and not following his protocol. He is also offering a free protocol for POTS. He makes it sound like it is pretty easy to get out of this hell. I did not hear any mention of PEM in the interview, just fatigue--lots of fatigue.
Talk is cheap, thats why we have double blind placebo controlled, peer reviewed studies with statistical analyses and measurable data points.
 

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Yes talk can be cheap. But we also need to live in a world where we can trust that those who took the Hippocratic oath are not causing harm and telling the truth.
 

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Yes talk can be cheap. But we also need to live in a world where we can trust that those who took the Hippocratic oath are not causing harm and telling the truth.
Trust is earned, not given away.
He has not earned any of it, he sells easy answers with a hefty markup.

I get the impression that he means well, but thats not enough.
 
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Use Dr. Teitelbaum's book as a roadmap for tests. Dont buy his supplements. Use this book in conjunction with your physician and see how it goes. D-ribose never worked for me. I tried 3 different brands and I had aggravated IBS.
 

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Use Dr. Teitelbaum's book as a roadmap for tests. Dont buy his supplements. Use this book in conjunction with your physician and see how it goes. D-ribose never worked for me. I tried 3 different brands and I had aggravated IBS.
Yeah, ribose used to do something very very bad with my gut. It's hard to figure what. Maybe candida fed on it if I even had candida. I managed to improve my condition (using different techniques like getting rid of candida, healing the gut wall, slowly increasing the dose, etc.) to the point where I could take 5 grams of ribose 3 times daily - so as suggested by Teitelbaum.

And everything went great on that high dose - for two weeks.
Gradually I started to get incredibly sleepy - so I guess that was the influence of additional adenosine that is produced on the brain.

But I don't know... ribose makes me sleepy in about an hour after taking a small dose like 2 grams. So this is really crazy.

Moreover, ribose causes muscle inflammation and joint pain - in this respect allopurinol helps.

So, now it looks like I have to take a longer break from ribose, even though I felt great, I had a lot of energy, no PEM, etc. on ribose - but for two weeks only.

How do I get back this great effect of ribose supplementation...
 

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How do I get back this great effect of ribose supplementation...
I believe ribose is taken in an attempt to make nicotinamide riboside. People with certain genetics can't benefit from NR, plus it's more steps to make NAD+ than just taking NAD+ or only one step away, NMN.
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People with certain genetics can't benefit from NR, plus it's more steps to make NAD+ than just taking NAD+ or only one step away, NMN
So, you're suggesting that I should try NR... I tried on two occasions... boy... it makes me sooooo... sleepy... but that would fit... if NR makes sleepy and ribose is used to make NR which makes me sleepy then taking ribose will make sleepy as well.

So, to put it in different words... how do I make NR less sleep-inducing? :)