Scientists trade insults over ME (JHP special issue)
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For those who have a few moments to spare;
Daily Mail article - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...lts-regarding-flawed-study.html#ixzz4oVLZUwAX
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Times article - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...myalgic-encephalomyelitis-me-study-slk0cv5lj#
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Daily Mail article - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...lts-regarding-flawed-study.html#ixzz4oVLZUwAX
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Times article - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...myalgic-encephalomyelitis-me-study-slk0cv5lj#
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It's the Silly Season here in the UK so standards maybe be even worse than normal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silly_season
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silly_season
One of the journalist in charge of this is replying to us on twitter. I sugest some of you join in to get the good argumentation my foggy and non-english brain isn't able to do 
Already pointed him to Tuller, Colby, MEactUK, etc
Already pointed him to Tuller, Colby, MEactUK, etc
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Coyne has posted on Facebook that this 'spat' coverage was obviously engineered by the SMC, which suggests to me that the leaked emails were an attempt to smear and discredit Coyne publically.
It would appear that, so far, the SMC has been hoist(ed?) by it's own petard.
It would appear that, so far, the SMC has been hoist(ed?) by it's own petard.
I think that the Daily Mail article is good. To me, that makes it even clearer that Coyne's sweary e-mails, while not what I would have done, have probably been to our benefit this time. I don't think it was a cunning master-plan, but it did get us some coverage that will add to the controversy and scandal surrounding PACE.
You may be interested to know.....
Jane Ogden is speaking at a British Psychological Society meeting in November, on Critical Thinking, as described below:
"Over the past 20 years an explosion of information has created information overload, a distrust of experts, the circulation of misinformation and false facts and public debates based upon poor evidence.
Referred to as the ‘Post truth world’, this is epitomised by the Brexit referendum in the UK, the election of Trump as President of the US and health care practices which are not always evidence based.
There are two possible solutions to this problem.
The first is to accept that ‘anything goes’ and embrace a post-modern world in which all information is deemed equal.
The second is to stay critical and develop a critical understanding of evidence and the ways in which this evidence is presented.
This session will first describe the problems generated by information overload. It will then offer a solution in terms of staying critical through the use of a critical tool kit focusing on methodology, data analysis and the power of persuasion.
Lecturers are forever telling their students to be more critical but students rarely understand what this means.
This session should be useful for anyone wanting to know what being critical means and how to fine tune their critical skills for anything that they come across in their day to day lives."
For further information:
https://beta.bps.org.uk/events/critical-thinking-jane-ogden-dhp-scotland-event
Jane Ogden is speaking at a British Psychological Society meeting in November, on Critical Thinking, as described below:
"Over the past 20 years an explosion of information has created information overload, a distrust of experts, the circulation of misinformation and false facts and public debates based upon poor evidence.
Referred to as the ‘Post truth world’, this is epitomised by the Brexit referendum in the UK, the election of Trump as President of the US and health care practices which are not always evidence based.
There are two possible solutions to this problem.
The first is to accept that ‘anything goes’ and embrace a post-modern world in which all information is deemed equal.
The second is to stay critical and develop a critical understanding of evidence and the ways in which this evidence is presented.
This session will first describe the problems generated by information overload. It will then offer a solution in terms of staying critical through the use of a critical tool kit focusing on methodology, data analysis and the power of persuasion.
Lecturers are forever telling their students to be more critical but students rarely understand what this means.
This session should be useful for anyone wanting to know what being critical means and how to fine tune their critical skills for anything that they come across in their day to day lives."
For further information:
https://beta.bps.org.uk/events/critical-thinking-jane-ogden-dhp-scotland-event
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I wanted to add to this, as a distant colleague of Tom's, that he comes across as very conscientious and thorough in his work.
He's right to point out the rigours of deadlines, word counts and legal wrangling - it's part and parcel of publishing. All I'd say is that working with journalists is ultimately beneficial (we want stories) but that being combative or blunt is rarely helpful.
I think linking to a few well sourced studies and possibly looking to work with journalists to develop new stories + being able to provide case studies is always useful for the future. Once my brain fog improves I'll also be working on pitching something myself.
He's right to point out the rigours of deadlines, word counts and legal wrangling - it's part and parcel of publishing. All I'd say is that working with journalists is ultimately beneficial (we want stories) but that being combative or blunt is rarely helpful.
I think linking to a few well sourced studies and possibly looking to work with journalists to develop new stories + being able to provide case studies is always useful for the future. Once my brain fog improves I'll also be working on pitching something myself.
I have applied my critical faculties to the question of whether I want to pay 128 quid to listen to Jane Ogden talking about her version of critical thinking for a day and have decided that I do not.
"Think more psychologically" and "Symptoms perception" my arse.
Sorry, sudden Coyne moment there.
"Think more psychologically" and "Symptoms perception" my arse.
Sorry, sudden Coyne moment there.
Prof Coyne has just posted this:
'...a Coyne moment'.......................... yep ...................I like it..............I think that could be picked up both sides of the Atlantic....................how fast will it spread?.....................
...................I like it..............I think that could be picked up both sides of the Atlantic....................how fast will it spread?.....................
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/...ory-disease-blood-test-could-easily-diagnose/
Telegraph has just posted online some details of Dr Mark Davis research on inflammation. Goood quote from Montoya . Unfortunately yuppie flu gets into title but first comment complains about this.
Telegraph has just posted online some details of Dr Mark Davis research on inflammation. Goood quote from Montoya . Unfortunately yuppie flu gets into title but first comment complains about this.
Groan!
One thing that pisses me off about this media coverage is the story that:
- Patients were offended by the finding as they feared it showed a psychological cause of their symptoms.
- Researchers and academics have now raised concerns about the methods and statistics used in the trial.