Prusty talks about his upcoming research on a podcast

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I got my Transferrin tested several times. Values where 253, 215, 256 mg/dl. The normal range for transferrin is 215 to 380 mg/dl. I dont know if this is considerd low. Does anybody have results to compare? FN1 and A2M seems to specific for the basic tests.
 
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This is what he said about today, did he manage this ?
I don't have the knowledge to judge this

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I got my Transferrin tested several times. Values where 253, 215, 256 mg/dl. The normal range for transferrin is 215 to 380 mg/dl. I dont know if this is considerd low. Does anybody have results to compare? FN1 and A2M seems to specific for the basic tests.
Mine was 2,05 g/L, checked quite recently. However, in central Europe (and Germany where Prusty does his research) the normal range is 2,0 - 3,6 g/L. Doesn't really seem significant to me considering I do have levels of other things that have been abnormal while sick (and probably also some things here and there whilst being healthy). One would think something like this would have come out of some of the massive studies that were done, since this is quite a routine test value. Unless the problem is not detectable in the serum and only at a cellular or tissue level, which however his measurements also didn't seem to account for if I understood things correctly.
 
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I don't think this is everything he has, didn't he say he wouldn't talk about the protein he thinks could be a biomarker in todays talk ? in general I don't feel that this is a case of the usual pet project that promises all the answers but leads nowhere, the whole thing seems like it could connect with what Ron Davis found about 'something in the blood' that was seemingly never followed up on fully for whatever reason.
Yes. This is better. It's at least research that can be built upon and connects to other findings in me/cfs.
 

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Just so people trying to follow along don't become confused - transferrin isn't made in the bone marrow its made in the liver, I think everyone is just speculating whether this alleged observation of ME/CFS reflects their own situation.

Did he cover something that unites LC ? well he said that the two diseases appear to be separate but could be 'looping around' in some cases, possibly what he means there is the dysfunction of the endothelial cells, or the changes to fibronectin which he says perpetuates the CDR in some sort of feedback loop ( but the change in fibronectin has to be initiated by several other stages by the sounds of it ). He did say however that some people with LC that have neurological issues also exhibit some of the markers that he found, does that mean that those people also or alternatively have CFS ? its hard to say because we don't have biomarker for long covid either and we have to assume they did the patient selection correctly and the people had many symptoms not consistent with ME/CFS but also something beyond just 'damage' caused by the virus. That might be what he was getting at though in terms of something that 'unites' the two, and that would be my guess.

With some of these markers I wonder if the effects could be disproportionate to the magnitude of the deviation from normal, or alternatively if mixing a few people who were misdiagnosed or didn't have true ME/CFS into the studies could have made the results seem insignificant ( because the deviation isn't large e.g. 75 vs 100 ).
 
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Mine was 2,05 g/L, checked quite recently. However, in central Europe (and Germany where Prusty does his research) the normal range is 2,0 - 3,6 g/L. Doesn't really seem significant to me considering I do have levels of other things that have been abnormal while sick (and probably also some things here and there whilst being healthy). One would think something like this would have come out of some of the massive studies that were done, since this is quite a routine test value. Unless the problem is not detectable in the serum and only at a cellular or tissue level, which however his measurements also didn't seem to account for if I understood things correctly.
Transferrin serum 262.0 mg/dl (200 - 360) Reference values updated to 04/25/22
Serum transferrin saturation index 15.27% (20 - 40)

This are from my last blood test. I am in Spain, Europe.
 
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Before this becomes a last minute things, have streaming possibilities, recordings or some short text summaries for the next two conferences BRMEC12 (https://www.investinme.org/BRMEC12-Agenda.shtml) and IIMEC15 (http://www.investinme.org/IIMEC15.shtml) been announced?
I am not finding information to register. I found this at Twitter

"it’s the international @Invest_in_ME conference, which takes place in London. However it is not streamed online. In the past they used to sell DVDs of the conference. I think that they have already announced that some of the presentations will be under embargo."

Researcher Kyle R. McNease wrote this:

"Online accommodations could & should be made, if they haven’t been. I thought that was at least one thing the Covid19 nightmare taught us. We must be responsive to the people with & for whom the research is conducted. Otherwise I will withdraw my support & encourage others to"

We should all contact and tag Invest in ME so they consider streaming it online. It should be already happening.
 

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It's incomprehensible that so little of our research that happens is collaborative, open source and data is not shared. Now online accommodations are not even made for those who financed the research in the first place, the patients. That's shameful!
 
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I wish more experts would comment on or respond to what he presented a couple of days ago, im particularly interesting in what they found about the immune system. Since early on in the illness I felt that an overactive or misfiring / malfunctioning immune system was probably driving the disease in some way. That lineup for the UK one in June looks really good, so many big names, it feels like its been a while since we heard anything from the people at Stanford.
 

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From what prusty says it sounds like he thinks the herpes viruses initiate the disease but not sustain it ? so if you removed the virus with a new innovation it wouldn't necessarily cure us ? I tried a special 'protocol' to remove one of these viruses a couple of years ago and it didn't help me, though interesting I did experience the pressure headache that was supposed to happen when you took one or two of the items ( one was Reishi the other one was EGCG from green tea ? ), and the reduction of the headache with sodium benzoate, I also did have a fever early on but it wasn't sustained and intensified like it was meant to.
 

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From what prusty says it sounds like he thinks the herpes viruses initiate the disease but not sustain it ? so if you removed the virus with a new innovation it wouldn't necessarily cure us ? I tried a special 'protocol' to remove one of these viruses a couple of years ago and it didn't help me, though interesting I did experience the pressure headache that was supposed to happen when you took one or two of the items ( one was Reishi the other one was EGCG from green tea ? ), and the reduction of the headache with sodium benzoate, I also did have a fever early on but it wasn't sustained and intensified like it was meant to.
Where does he say it doesnt sustain it? Im not disagreeing with you. Maybe its hard to say ‘does eliminating hhv6, hsv, ebv eliminate cfs?’ Because present interventions are still due for advancement, aka, whos ever been rid of herpes 100%?…
 

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Where does he say it doesnt sustain it? Im not disagreeing with you. Maybe its hard to say ‘does eliminating hhv6, hsv, ebv eliminate cfs?’ Because present interventions are still due for advancement, aka, whos ever been rid of herpes 100%?…
I think it's more along the lines of that removing Herpesviruses was not part of his proposed interview solution and instead he was more or less saying that reintroduction of this protein could be enough (apart from fixing downstream issues). But this was also just one short interview, and he might just not have mentioned removal of Herpesviruses as an option since it's not possible in any case.
 
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