Place to share controversial or not so known, "hidden" treatments

[Fuluf]

While searching for the answer on how to heal/cure myself of my severe debilitating chronic symptoms, my approach and perception of how things are changed quite drastically (I described it here shortly if anyone is interested: https://forums.phoenixrising.me/thr...ever-heard-about-ropeworm.77215/#post-2226169).

The change of approach and my understanding of what's going on probably was caused by me accidentally stumbling upon the carnivore diet, which lead to in depth research and me figuring out other things the existence of which I didn't even realize during my previous ~3 year mostly pubmed-forums research. These things were somewhat "hidden" under the veil of conventional wisdom and preconceived notions and were surprisingly potent and provided the best benefits among all previous findings. Most importantly - these treatments just made sense from a logical standpoint.

So I wanted to share with you some things that I found very interesting and probably many of you have never heard of. Some of them are controvertial (from a conventional standpoint), but neverthless - there is an obvious logic behind its mechanisms of action.

Feel free to share any "miracle cures" or any other treatments people probably haven't heard of, preferably providing some context or general info. I firmly believe that one have to keep the mind open if there is a real desire to truly heal.

I didn't include FMT and dental issues like cavitations/fillings in this list because it's already a widespread knowledge I suppose. Also Rife machine/Spooky2 because I personally didn't react to it significantly.

I sincerely hope that this information will help somebody

1. Galleria Mellonella (wax moth) larvae extract
There is a moth called Galleria Mellonella, the larvae of which is the only organism that can degrade wax with its enzymes. Bee keepers know it as the only pathogen of their bee hives as it can rapidly eat honeycombs with all its powerful defense barriers - propolis, honey etc.

GM larvae extract potent properties (the most prominent was complete elimination of Mycobacterium tuberculosis infection) were researched by a number of quite famous Russian professors, scientists and microbiologists in the late 1800s. That's why it's only known in Eastern European countries like Russia, Ukraine etc. There are also some statements that it was used in ancient Egypt.

The main components of interest here was unique enzyme cerase also lipase and serine proteases but I suppose there is more to it eg various peptides, defense chemicals etc. It also seems like larvae waste products and its extract are more potent and bioactive as it aslo possess properties of what larvae were eating (propolis, royal jelly, beebread, bee cocoons etc) as it passess through its stomach, fermenting, processing it - probably multiplying and changing its properties in unknown way. So the food which larvae eats is VERY important for its healing properties as extracts of GM larvae fed some garbage food or simple wax doesn't show any benefits. So tip for anyone who's interested - the best deal is to find local/small so called family beekepers who know what they are doing and buy extract (in a glass bottle, as it probably will degrade plastic one) from them as not everyone wants to feed larva with their honey, jelly, propolis etc as they can sell it separately. Mass production stuff and stuff sold in pharmacies don't work. Capsules don't work.

There are lots of testimonials from people who solved their often severe problems with the extract - tuberculosis, lupus, other autoimmune issues, ulcers etc (others report drastic improvements in genreal well-being, resolving of vague problems such as pain, fatigue, headaches, hypertenstion, ED, gut problems, dissolving of cysts, lipomas, even tumors and polyps etc). Just my understanding - it eliminates any chronic infection people may have which contributes to symptoms described above. There also have been pubmed paper published recently on GM larvae dissolving polyethylene (https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(17)30231-2?_returnURL=https://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0960982217302312?showall=true).

I didn't find any useful info on it in English, so here are some quite good Russian articles on the topic (you can use automatic google translation in chrome):
1. https://mellonella.ru/voskovaya-mol/ - general overview
2. https://mellonella.ru/voskovaya-mol/nastoyka-pjvm.html - waste products extract (ПЖВМ/PJVM) overview
3. https://mellonella.ru/.../voskovaya-mol-otzyvy-vrachey-i... - list of scientific papers on the GM, some of them are in english.

Also as I speak Russian and it's much easier for me to find info, here are 3 places where you may consider buying the extract, all located in different parts of Russia (I spoke to the owners of the first 2 small bee farms, it seems like they are knowledgeable, but I obviously have no connection to them):
1. http://xn--d1abappe1ai6b5b.com/produkty/voskovaya-mol/ - most likely sells in glass if you ask (the webstite is честныймед.com that's why it's automatically transforms into this weird thing here)
2. https://ognewka.ru/ or https://apiarium.ru/ , same bee farm
3. https://mellonella.ru/

If anyone here is from New Zealand, please let me know if you are interested in making the extract of larvae fed on Manuka honeycombs (asking local bee farms to prepare it as it will be difficult for me to communicate). I highly suspect this extract can posses some very distinct potent properties as tea tree honey is very potent even on its own as far as I know.

2. Carnivore/primal diet

This probably became more popular these days, but I can't just skip it as it's pure gem in my opinion. I even don't want to call it diet as such because you just eat foods that are meant and optimal to be eaten by humans. This topic is so interesting and broad, I'd just describe my vision of it without deep details shortly and provide resources for further research for anyone interested.

So, each species on the planet has its specific optimal diet depending on the digestive system structure it has. For example cows are herbivores and have a complex specifically evolved digestive tract that is optimized to digest plant matter mainly with the help of bacteria which convert it to scfaa, amino acids etc. Lions have a quite simple digestive tract and are carnivores. Humans are omnivores which means they have an ability to survive on plant and animal matter. But the point is, humans function optimally on nutrients contained only within the animal foods as most of the nutrients required cannot be extracted from plant matter by human digestive tract.

There are also so called antinutrients in plants which are defense mechanisms by which plants protect itself from insects and other animals in order to stay alive. Most powerful of them are contained within seeds and grains (staple of everyones diet nowadays) as these are "baby" plants, the beginning of life for plants, so its survival is crucial. Those can be toxic and disturb optimal functioning of the body. Thus, plants are meant for survival when there is a shortage of animal foods, or for added energy in the form of hollow calories if plants are prepared the right way (usually fermented or sprouted for a long time to reduce antinutrients by yeast/bacteria then heated to further degrade any harmful chemicals eg sourdough bread, oats prepared the classic way etc).

On the other hand, organ meats like liver and other nutrient dense animal foods like bone marrow, raw milk, egg yolks etc provide everything your body needs and most importantly in the exact natural form your body can recognize and use (which is often not applicable for nutritional supplements which are in most cases just molecules created to have similar structure). So when you provide your body with all the nutrients it needs and eliminate foods that can potentially disturb the absorption and utilization of those nutrients in the body, magic starts to happen and your body starts to work properly (if you adressed chronic infection and toxicity). The most important thing here is what food animals you eat are eating: grass fed/free range/pasture raised is the way to go firstly because of the nutrients content being probably 10x more than in conventionally raised animals, secondly because it minimizes the toxicity (antibiotics, hormones, heavy metals) which you obviously don't need and thirdly, conventional factory raising practices are just pure torture for living creatures.

Also, raw milk and other dairy are completely different products from pasteurized. The latter is mostly devoid of special enzymes, nutrients, immunoglobulins and bacteria which are highly beneficial and are crucial for the digestion of milk. So called "lactose intolerance" usually disappears when one is consuming raw dairy products. Raw kefir is very potent thing. The same issue with honey, which beneficial properties are nullified by heat.

Here are links for further research: videos (brain fog friendly), articles etc:

1. https://www.paleomedicina.com/en/?page=tartalom&tipus=cikk - PKD uses 80/20 fat to protein ratio in GRAMS specifically to treat illneses. Some people may find it hard to tolerate that much fat, the classic carnivore/primal is around 80/20 fat to protein in CALORIES which is completelly different as 1 gram of fat is `9 calories, 1 gram of protein is `4 calories.

2. http://www.ketotic.org/ / http://www.empiri.ca/

3. http://meatheals.com/ - testimonials

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- and other lectures from carnivorycon

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3. Good old controversial Chlorine Dioxide aka MMS

Well, this is probably the most controversial thing on this list as it's being attacked by social media the most (hmm why). I stated it previously but its name in pop culture "Miracle Mineral Supplement" doesn't sound too credible to say the least and sounds just like pure scam. Probably beacuse the man who discovered its healing properties was old at the time. I will just leave some interesting links for anyone interested to research.

Just a tip, try to look for evidence and logic behind the mechanism of action and not how it is portrayed in social media (trying to create a negative emotional assumption by calling it bleach, trying to discredit it as scientology/religious cult eg referring to the Genesis 2 Church which was created specifically as a loophole for it to be sold and discussed in so called "church"). It's also being sold everywhere as a drinking water purification kit for decades and is probably put in your tap water system with the same purposes, that means it's legally sold for internal ingestion. The main concern for me is microbiome issues, which there are no research for, just claims and hypothesis (me personally, I haven't noticed any changes that can be felt). However, antibiotics and other drugs definetely posses some microbiome disturbing properties so there is always risk/benefit ratio. Also, just my opinion, but infection is probably more harmful for the whole body including microbiome.
Here are some links:

1. https://medcraveonline.com/IJVV/IJVV-02-00052.pdf
2. https://andreaskalcker.com/en/working_mechanism/ - he is German, so english is a bit weird here
3. https://andreaskalcker.com/en/toxicity/
4. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8228160
5. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25672403
6. https://patents.google.com/patent/CN104586880A/en
7. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMTfoO-GAuM&t= - video of Red Cross treating Malaria in Africa with CD
8. https://mmstestimonials.co/ - testimonials


4. Kambo

It's a secretion of a South American frog Phyllomedusa bicolor. This is similar to any venom therapy like bee venom, but hypothetically more potent. The logic is that it's a very potent defense mechanism of a frog which evolved in the presence of constant pathogenic threat as it lives mostly in the Amazon rainforest. So its cocktail of chemicals is able provide some sort of intense combined anti infectious effect which not many substances can.
Most comprehensive overview is probably here, including the links: https://thethirdwave.co/psychedelics/kambo/

5. Iodine

It's an essential element, which is vital to life and crucial for optimal functioning of every human cell, most of people nowadays are severly deficient because of the following reasons. Previously the soil was rich in the iodine so any plants, animals that consumed the plants and therefore any animals that consumed those animals would get iodine from the soil. However due to very poor diet, modern agricultural practices and explosion in abudance of various halogens in environment that discplace iodine from the body as their structure is similar (fluoride, bromine, chlorine) humans are sometimes not consuming iodine at all while displacing left iodine with other halogens. The iodine was previously added to the bread to counteract deficiency, however it later was displaced with bromine for some reason. Also iodine added to the table salt is only 10% bioavailiable as it's not in a stable form, also the amount there is laughable (as well as RDA recommendations) considering the amounts of halogens present in our environment nowadays. The unsufficiency of iodine consumption was probably accumulated through generations, that's why we see so many thyroid related issues nowadays (thyroid nodules are considered normal in the medical community which are obviously not, it's a sign of iodine deficiency).
You most likely are iodine deficient even if your thyroid tests are within range. From other people experiences, symptoms which are not expected to be thyroid-related are also drastically improved as it's used by lots of tissues and regulates lots of procesess directly or downstream by thyroid.

Besides supplementaion for repleting the levels of iodine, there is a history of its application as an anti infectious agent against Malaria, Syphilis, Sporotrichosis (up to 7500mg a day of iodine from SSKI: sporotrichosis; malaria, small pox) and other type of infections as iodine is potent antifungal, antiviral and antibacterial. There are also testimonials from people who healed from Morgellons with the use of high dose SSKI.
The most used formulation is Lugol solution (like J Crow or any other).

Here are some links for further research (brain fog friendly videos at the end included):
1. https://www.optimox.com/pdfs/IOD09.pdf
2. https://www.optimox.com/pdfs/IOD14.pdf
3. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KQ8tCLrOoQQJ8h_gSRM1aZ1Ya-YqaN4B3i8NMXOm8TY - testimonials
4. https://www.amazon.com/Iodine-Crisis-What-About-Wreck/dp/098603200X
5. https://www.amazon.com/Iodine-Need-Cant-Live-Without/dp/0966088239
6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlwT_iPZ_QA
7. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fFupItjZkQ
8. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fqhrWoqQ3Y



Your thoughts and ideas are welcome.

 

[Archie]

The GM larvae extract seems interesting, i never have hear about it before . So you think that the first 2 bee farms know the right methods, and are also good quality ( dont have toxic chemicals ? ) I dont speak Russian . I have some systemic enzymes , when i was reading about them i think i see some text saying enzymes can "eat" parasites, viruses, bacteria also if taken on empty stomach so would not eat food .

I once ordered some cedar pine nut oil with resin from Russia , and it was good stuff ,thought i was bit afraid to use any bigger dosage since the resin is quite a powerfull stuff itself ( Turpentine )

I just ingest some lugol`s iodine , did not count how much, maybe 200-300mg as it was 12% Lugol`s


I am not sure about carnivore diet, the reason is that i am not sure what it mean to gut microbiome , the all dirrerent ratios of bacterias, and i think i seen reports that the ancestors did infact eat a lot prebiotics , a lot more than people eat today...so that raise the question , is carnivore diet really so authentic ? Gut microbes need certain "food" i am not so sure is meat based diet ideal for microbiome or not .


I read your other post, and i can agree a lot , and what comes to the human evolution , i think the evolution was just fine and would still be, the issues stems in my opinion that, we are just in wrong place in wrong time, this is "GENERATION DDT" age with days plate filled with toxic chemicals even when we are still in fetus, and next 20 years of very critical time after we born, the first 20 is time when out body is not yet fully adult or fully ready ...yet it is destoyed by environmental man made products that end up in our plate, water, or we inhale . I might as well call the CFS as generation ddt disease , or toxic food disease , at least it would mean something than just mambo jambo chronic fatigue syndrome with seem to not have much answers or specific reasons why , and is too vague....as the toxic chemicals do their job , it can cause lower immunity and that is where the oportunist pathogens get the idea of having a party time in the first place , infections ..


So the reasons stems mainly from the RoundUp all the crap out there , our evolution nor our body has never been ready to live with all that crap that ends up in to our body . Rational or not , and i think this all is let to happen becouse it is more important to corporations make a lot money from chemicals, vaccines ,agriculture etc....the modus operandi is to make a lot money , and if some part of human population is going to get sick or killed it is just collateral damage .


But that was just my wiews, so dont take it too seriously

 

[LINE]

Interesting material. I would stay away from MMS, not worth the risk. I did that for sometime and did not know the dangers with it, however I did hydrogen peroxide IVs and finally purchased an medical ozone setup and did treatments at home. Ozone was one of the better tratments I did but there are caveats.

 

[suevu]

Beware with helminths having ME!!

I had recovered a lot with FMTs with a great success, however hleminths set me back in my disease... They didn't work for me while they can work for others and I only tried 5...

Our body is ready and designed to live with helminths and all kind of bacteria and GOOD bugs, so the lack of most of these of our OLD friends for me in my humble opinion is the soil where all our diseaes grow, specially ME , MS, ALS and so on.

 

[Wishful]

Also iodine added to the table salt is only 10% bioavailiable as it's not in a stable form

Okay, this has been bothering me, so I have to ask: wouldn't stability of a chemical compound make it biounavailable? As far as I know, KI in water splits almost immediately into K and I ions, and our bodies are very efficient at snagging any available iodine ions.

A quick googling turned up: 'It was reported that the bioavailability of pure mineral iodine, such as potassium iodide, was 96.4% in normal humans, while that of pure organic iodine, such as monoiodotyrosine, was 80%.'

That sounds pretty like pretty high bioavailability. Can you doublecheck your figure of 10%?

 

[Fuluf]

@Archie Yes, as far as I know they are located in ecological regions far away from cities, any roads etc. They are also small families with children and second bee farm is particularly specialized on various bee medicine production. Dissolving of waxy structure of cell membrane of mycobacterium tuberculosis is one of the anti-infectious mechanism of action. Regarding the carnivore diet, just a logic here, but your microbiome will adjust to the food you eat, so if you eat so called prebiotics in the form of fiber or starches, your microbiome will simply adapt and there will be an increased abundance of bacteria specific to consuming fiber and starch, but it doesn't mean anything. There also were pubmed studies on keto diet increasing diversity of microbiome despite it obviously being lower in preiotics than standard diet. Just a thought to ponder, lions or any carnivorous animals also have a functional microbiome despite not eating starch and fiber. Also, raw milk and raw milk kefir (homemade with kefir grains) will probably provide you with healthy bacteria which will most likely colonise you gut (you can't say this about store bought probiotics or any other fermented foods).

@LINE genuinely curious why is it dangerous? Is there anything that can be added to the info from here: https://andreaskalcker.com/en/toxicity/ ? I agree that it's not a vitamin supplement, but if you're dealing with infection, everything you ingest for its eradication will be poison in some way (mycotoxins, mitochondrial disruptors as with fluoroquinolones, microbiome disruptors, liver failure is a classic side effect of almost any drug on the market especially antibiotic), you just have to choose the safest one. As far as I know hydrogen peroxide can literally oxidize your healthy cells as its oxidative potential is more than human cells are able to carry (that's not the case with chlorine dioxide)

@suevu I didn't do indepth research on this, but I suppose helminths just dampen your immune system, so your symptoms connected to your body fighting chronic infection subside? I'm not sure it's the right way to deal with chronic infection

@Wishful I tried hard, but couldn't find the paper regarding 10% bioavailiabilty issue, but I'm sure I've seen it somewhere and it made sense at the time. I will do an update if I find more info. Or I just mixed it up with iodine loss (hence unstability) from the salt with time (as described here for example). The main point here is however not the stability or bioavailability but the amount added, even if it was 100% stable and bioavailiable. It just doesn't support iodine levels in the body with the amount of halogens present nowadays. You probably deplete a big portion of iodine in the body just by taking a shower as chlorine from the tap water is efficiently absorbed through skin. Also, with things like that you are always on your own and won't find any firm reccomendations like take this in this amount and you're ok (beacuse if you say somebody from medical community you're taking 50mg of iodine from Lugol solution they will be quite sure you are going to die pretty soon). I just based my views on logic, history of substance application, anecdotes from lots of people (+clinical experience from various drs and a portion of pubmed research) and personal experience. Iodine issue is very similar to cholesterol one: one single paper, which wasn't really based on anything, was blown out of proportions and made the general population believe that both are bad for you.

 

[Archie]

@Fuluf Ok thanks, i will look for suitable time later when to order . Yes agree with milk but i cant find any normal milk here so cant much use it other than some cheese and yugurt .

 

[Wishful]

You probably deplete a big portion of iodine in the body just by taking a shower as chlorine from the tap water is efficiently absorbed through skin.

No, I haven't had much contact with chlorinated water since 2001. I've been drinking and washing with rainwater since then.

I did look for studies showing how much an effect the other halogens have on thyroid function, and it was really difficult to find a credible source. There are lots of health scare sites talking about the issue, but I only found one scientific journal paper, and it found a measurable but not very significant rise in Tsh for people suffering from Hashimoto's Syndrome who consume lots of chlorinated water. A rise in Tsh of .35 from long-term chlorinated water exposure doesn't really fit "deplete a big portion of iodine in the body". The other halogens don't deplete the body's supply of iodine, it just reduces the rate at which the body converts the available iodine into properly-functioning hormone molecules. This seems to be yet another example of a barely measurable effect being blown into a major health scare.

I do take a drop of tincture of iodine every 21 days, but not to treat iodine deficiency, but because a sharp increase in T2 (the thyroid makes some T2) seems to reset something in my ME, possibly via RNA transcription that depends on T2. Whatever the mechanism, it needs an abrupt increase in T2 (or iodine) to trigger it, which allows me to avoid the otherwise increase in my ME symptoms. Whatever it is is not dose-dependent, and has a fairly precise and consistent 21 day lifespan. Just another ME oddity, possibly unique to my body.

 

[YippeeKi YOW !!]

@Fuluf
This is a fascinating thread, ex-centric in the best possible way, and thank you for taking the time, energy and effort to post all this info, as well as all the informative links.

Not having my best brain day, so will have to work thru it all a little at a time. Very grateful to have it.

Thank you, again !!!

 

[Momentum]

I can attest to several of these. I've been on 100 mg of Lugol's for about 12 years. Reversed my Hashimotos, has strengthened my stomach and intestines. I went as high as 1,000mg/day, with no further improvement.

Have been drinking raw milk for a few decades and my 50 something bone are as strong as someone in their 20's (and I haven't exercised much the last two decades, and was on low dose prednisone and still my bones are awesome - my collagen, not so much).

Master Min. Sol. has by far been the best thing I've ever done. I was in with the original Lymie's trying it back in the day with a 16 drop dose - spent the day hugging the toilet. Miserable. Some of us toughed it out for about 2 weeks with no improvement - and gave up. (Spent the next decade spending thousands on IVs, Coil Rife machine, sups, meds, meth blue, herbs, sacrificing chickens, etc). Then I decided to see what was up in the Lyme/M M S community and they had previously discovered it only stayed active in the body for about 90-120 minutes, and had lowered the dose to one drop, with dosing every few hours - then increase to tolerance. I dove in, and couldn't even tolerate 1 drop at first. It was rough, but after 4 months I felt better than in my entire life (I was at about 10 drops every 2 daytime hours, taking a break one day a week, and if I went out.) I thought I had about one more month to go for a cure. Went online and someone convinced me to drop what I was doing and replace with essential oils. This proved to be a very big mistake. Within 6 weeks I crashed so hard I was back in bed for over a year. That was several years ago, and it's been difficult to get back on the M M S protocol because it does cause a headache and nausea, throughout the day, for several months. It's like a roller coaster of mini herxes. From what I remember that went away at about the third month before. So I am trying it again (for the 4th or 5th time, hoping I'll stick with it), as I've tried just about everything else.

Oh, I'm also megging dosing thiamine HCI per Dr Constantini to hopefully avoid Parkinsons and it is helping with my neuropathy. I've only been doing this for a month.

I was thinking of adding in Hydr Perox (bath, nebulizer and/or oral), once a day to increase my oxygen and hopefully energy. IDK That's why I came on tonight to if anyone here has used HP much.

 

[Hip]

Have been drinking raw milk for a few decades

There is a retrovirus in raw milk called BLV which is linked to breast cancer, and in animals is shown to cause immune dysfunction such as B-cell and T-cell abnormalities.

 

[Momentum]

I was sick decades before starting raw milk.

 

[Hip]

I was sick decades before starting raw milk.

Not suggesting the BLV retrovirus in raw milk is the cause of your ill health.

Just saying that with this retrovirus present in a large percentage of dairy cows and their milk, there may be unknown risks involved in drinking raw milk, because we do not yet know what effects BLV might have on human health.


Interestingly, one study showed a link between dog ownership and breast cancer. Dogs harbor a retrovirus called mouse mammary tumour virus (MMTV), which can infect humans too, and is strongly linked to human breast cancer.