Which brings me back full circle to the question - what can we do to enlighten Holgate and the other scientists? I'm out of touch with the letter writing group having withdrawn from these discussions for a while. Any information? There are so many threads, I haven't the energy or concentration to read them all.
I think the CMRC was set up to protect and serve the BPS school.
New blog from Professor Hugh Perry >>
My understanding of a petition is that it is something people sign and it is then sent to a council, government department etc
This petition is something where people can express support and register to receive regular information on what is happening with the study
I don't know about these sort of internet tools but I think it would have been better if the MEGA planning group had see a tool (if there is one) where people can register support, and sign up for information - rather than a site which involves petitions in the normal sense of the word
Not sure that this is really worth getting into a detailed debate over
I think that this is where the biopsychosocial lot have a huge advantage. Its seems to me that they actively love to sell themselves, their ideas, love an audience and are gifted in the art of persuation and marketing, they may be charming and convincing and good at networking.
We seem to be making big in road in scientific research lately but lets face it there has been masses of biological research over the years which show the biological differences in ME patients. I mean the IOM came to that conclusion. But its ignored as the BPS advocates go about their networking and charm offensive with the people who matter.
I think we need to be funding more doctors like Charles to take on the role of full-time advocate, diplomat even.for ME as a biological disease. We have some good people advocating for us such as Charles but its not enough we need more. The psychobabble may be winning the war on ME precisely because they are more savvy and skilled on a psychosocial level and know what works when it comes to selling ideas.
Lets face it even in war the politicians and forces chiefs know the importance of winning hearts and minds and the importance of diplomacy and alliance building. Strikes me that maybe we need to get a bit cleverer at playing the BPS lot at their own game and employ people with the energy, skills and knowledge base and professional qualifications to do so.
I for one would happily contribute financially what I could to help get medical advocates employed to help turn the tables.
Can you (or someone) please, please, please ask the petition organisers to set up a better way of responding to these blogs than forcing people to go to change.org with a facebook account.
We have the ridiculous situation where Prof Ponting couldn't even reply to his own (very interesting) article, and Simon was acting as go-between taking comments off these boards and then emailing, then getting email back then posting via his own facebook . And again with Prof Edwards (very interesting) comment from this thread. We need these discussions to be able to take place directly, and be much more accesible to the rest of us than they are right now.
That is not correct
And I'm not going to write yet another long defence of the CMRC - I have too much to do tonight and this discussion is supposed to be about the MEGA study
Did you read my report on the 2015 CMRC conference in Newcastle -
http://www.meassociation.org.uk/2015/10/global-mecfs-research-22-october-2015/
where I saw about 4 psychiatrists or psychologists out of around 100 people who attended
Do you really think this is a research conference/group designed to promote the psychosocial model of causation and management???
I have posted this on the main MEGA thread but it is very relevant here so have placed it here also and that so everyone is aware of this.
http://forums.phoenixrising.me/inde...-listed-as-involved.47082/page-17#post-777861
Apologies for not answering your question
You may not find this a satisfactory excuse but I'm afraid I just do not have time to answer all the emails that pour into my in box each day and keep up with all the questions that are directed at me or the MEA on the two social media sites where I am very happy to engage with the patient community - MEA Facebook and PR forum - for a couple of hours each day. After that I'm afraid I just have to move on to other work
And as you may know, I have this wretched disease and on top of trying to earn some money to pay the bills I spend around 60 hours per week dealing with MEA work on a purely voluntary basis - if you follow MEA Facebook you will know that my prime concern is with patient information and support
Regarding the petition in support of the MEGA study:
Firstly, I don't think that petition is really a good word to be using here - as it is not being used in the normal sense of a petition. But it may be that there was no other internet tool that could be used instead.
It is simply a way of registering support for a major new piece of research that will involve a large number of people with ME/CFS
To co-incide with a number of presentations on the Big Data study at the CMRC conference in September the planning group decided to engage with the public by giving them an opportunity to say that they supported the study if they wished to do so
This would then be followed by regular email updates on the study, Question and Answer sessions, and blogs by different members of the research group (Chris Ponting has done the first one) to anyone who signed in support
Please could you clarify what the 'unfounded statements' are
If it would help, I would be happy to speak to you on the phone tomorrow when I do a 'telephone clinic' at 5pm
Thank you for finally acknowledging after tagging you four times when you were on the forum. I appreciate your constraints by being on various social media.
I am shocked that you are now saying it is not really a petition.
".Firstly, I don't think that petition is really a good word to be using here - as it is not being used in the normal sense of a petition."
It is A PETITION.
Change.org is a PETITION website.
https://www.change.org/about
The MEGA page has the word petition 14 times on it.
You have used the word petition.
I do not wish to have a separate debate about what that is if it is not a petition. It is a petition.
CMRC and MEGA have completely failed to listen or engage with patients to garner support and have instead resorted to a petition. We are not stupid.
The counter petition had been opposed by you and some have said it could stop MEGA and genomic research but as you say it could be merely to gauge support like the original petition and should therefore not have such strength.
I still do not understand why a petition site was used. I have not received a response a satisfactory response to the serious question over the petition. The original petition should be removed as it is unethical and unprofessional given the misinformation and changes since it was originally put up.
People were given only two choices to support it in its current form or not by the petition. Their was no avenue to support MEGA in a different form.
There are important and very serious issues which have arisen about the conduct of MEGA and CMRC which have been raised in all the MEGA threads here on PR and CMRC and MEGA themselves have endangered the study and not patients due to their conduct. I think you should re-read all the comments on PR about MEGA as you have misunderstood peoples legitimate and reasonable concerns and constructive criticism.
I shall try and respond to you fully here by 5pm tomorrow.
My understanding of a petition is that it is something people sign and it is then sent to a council, government department etc
This petition is something where people can express support and register to receive regular information on what is happening with the study
I don't know about these sort of internet tools but I think it would have been better if the MEGA planning group had see a tool (if there is one) where people can register support, and sign up for information - rather than a site which involves petitions in the normal sense of the word
Not sure that this is really worth getting into a detailed debate over
Useful comment on behalf of a patient support group.
https://www.change.org/p/opposing-m...dence-in-mega-research-for-me-cfs/c/526585487
@charles shepherd - is there some reason that MEGA (or even the CMRC) don't set up their own website for free in 10 minutes on something like Weebly? Even children can do this - it just uses drag-and-drop for posting text and pictures. It's extremely simple, and includes the ability to quickly and easily set up a blog page.
They'd have to pay for a domain name, but that's only a few quid a year.
So the PACE trial re-analysis results have been published in magazines, newspapers, including medical and pharmacy publications throughout the world, BUT, the NICE guidelines people refuse to listen and are going to ignore it all, until it's peer reviewed? The whole world is laughing at us, the UK is a laughing stock! So they are happy to risk patients health, despite the truth now being out there?
Charles, yes I know the guidelines were based on previous dubious studies, but the sheer size of PACE must surely make them irrelevant. PACE was supposed to confirm these smaller trials wasn't it?
I am not a member of the MEA. I have not invited you to defend the CMRC or asked you any questions on this thread as far as I recall. I've only been aware of this disgraceful mess since 2010 and have formed my own opinions by listening and reading the comments / papers from the various horses' mouths.
@Charles- we have been in contact with Sir Andrew Dillon at Nice since May via our MP and individually. We have gained some information which we are happy to share with you. Could you contact me via my fb private message page.
Presumably you count some GP's among your non ME/CFS colleagues.JThe vast majority of my ordinary (i.e. non ME/CFS) medical colleagues don't know about the PACE trial and have no interest in it whatsoever
I will forward this to someone on the MEGA planning group
At the moment, I think it is here (rather than CMRC) that a simpler way of dealing with comments needs organising