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Yes, detoxing and crashing (PEM) are entirely different. PEM is a response to exertion - If I exceed my energy envelope (4 hours of light activity), I'm hit with PEM the next day. It's delayed onset for me, about 20 hours. It used to make me feel like I'd been hit by a truck and climbed a mountain, lots of lactic acid and the only way to deal with it is to do nothing until it passes. PEM used to last 2 - 3 days until I started taking BCAAs - now it usually gets over within a day.How would you describe the symptoms called detoxing, and do you consider that to differ from "a crash"?
extra tired, digestion is off, I'll get spacey. I used to react to anything that had a "cleansing" property
I would have been lost without my chiropractor who does muscle testing. When I felt so sick when my liver was toxic, I'd given up going to doctors by then. They were never able to help me. I didn't think my chiropractor could help. It was just another weird awful symptom, so I was very surprised when my chiro said my liver was toxic. This was new to me! I didn't know anything about this. Anyways, I did the liver detox, took what he told me to, it helped so much. And I also learned I needed betaine HCL with pepsin - it made a world of difference in my digestion, and might have been a factor in my liver performing so poorly. I'd been having gallbladder symptoms too - and the liver detox together with the betaine HCL with pepsin, and a Standard Process product called AF Betafood made all the difference. This was 16 years ago and my liver and gallbladder and my digestion in general are all in good shape now.somehow I'm not a very good detective when it comes to the body and what its doing.
It's possible. But the toxins are no longer building up like they used to. I had the 23 and me testing done several years ago and I did have one of the MTHR SNPs, I can't remember exactly but it just didn't help me much knowing that, and it could get so complex. Whereas with muscle testing, I would have a new symptom, go to the chiropractor, he was very often able to sort it out, maybe recommend a supplement as well as the dose and I just dealt with things as they arose. And I think I'm on a pretty good supplement regimen right now. It's taken a lot of work and trial and error and reading and experimenting and MT to get here, but the MT is what allowed me to do all the experimenting.Do you think all this MTHR genetic stuff is involved in your case? (in terms of a tendency for toxins to build up)?
There is also the possibility that activity causes poorly functioning muscles to create a build up of toxins that the body can’t detox fast enough from.
how much the lymph and blood vessel systems are related ie does vasoconstriction cause some kind of lymph constriction?
Yes movement does help lymph for sure but then you got the PEM. Finding the balance between movement for maintenance and relief and PEM is very hard!