I agree Bob. I think it's time to work with the MRC. As I've suggested before, their own policy on open data is one thing to focus on. The mindset should be more about helping them to keep their funded research in line with their stated principles (eg open data and proper peer review in the case of PACE), and recognising when they do good things, rather than criticising them as such. The criticism over PACE belongs with the PACE authors and anyone else who was responsible for spinning and manipulating the PACE data. I do think things have changed somewhat at the MRC, and even if it doesn't yet go far enough, it's really important to support positive changes of direction and encourage them to continue on that changed course. No doubt they will be under pressure from those who want them to abandon this course and they need our support to continue with this change of tack.