ME,Metabolic changes with carb metabolism and cancer

[Davsey27]

I was curious prior to ME I could eat a typicall American diet with 200plus grams of carbs a day and hike several miles

Since getting ME it seems that something in the cellular metabolism has been hijacked that if I don't do some for of intermittent fasting and lower carbs

Carb metabolism has slowed waaay down from age 32[onset of ME] to age 37

And before whereas I could eat 3000 plus calories and burn it off

Now it feels like some days i have to eat just 1200-1500 a day to avoid this hyperinsulinemia

Occasionally even less

I get more flu-like symptoms waking up in the morning feeling poisoned in the throat and lymph nodes backed up regardless of what I eat

Though it seems that hyperinsulemia seems to compound the inflamattory/viral symptoms

Occasionally when I tolerate fasting if I stop eating after 2-4 pm.The next day poisoned feeling may be slightly better

Curious what your thoughts are on this

With the metabolic changes with ME and inability to tolerate alot of calories and carbs,does this mean the body is more prone to cancer in a slowed down metabolic state?

I have heard Dr Eric Berg on YouTube suggest that sugar feeds cancer cells

Thank you

 

[gregh286]

hi,
yes noticed this as well and ive had some really good energy days on fasts.
For me, I cant eat carbs until im awake about 6+ hours, I just dont burn them, I'll get ectopic beats and fast heart. Metabolism isnt there to burn them fast enough.
If i'm awake for ages like 16 hours, burn them really well, I eat late in day.

Always in morning, as general rule we are worse, after wakening.
My own personal opinion is CFS is a stress hormone metabolic disorder. I think during sleep (or high stress event) the stress hormones are shutting down cellular respiration via a hormonal chemical signature. This is deduction from lack of sleep experience, jet lags, nightmare episodes etc. Also, I had etopic beats a month ago and GP reckons its the inbalance fight or flight affecting HR via vagus. Again If i ate sugar with the ectopic it got worse X10 for about 2 hours. During fasting they tending to stop.
So, the metabolic factors are trying to slow our system down all the time.

 

[linusbert]

you guys really want to investigate into Thiamine.

regarding "poisoned" feeling , i recommend drinking half a liter clean water in the morning.

 

[gregh286]

you guys really want to investigate into Thiamine.

regarding "poisoned" feeling , i recommend drinking half a liter clean water in the morning.

Why?
My thiamine levels are good.
Upregulating thiamine by high doses is only masking the underlying issue. Its not address root cause.

 

[linusbert]

Why?
My thiamine levels are good.
Upregulating thiamine by high doses is only masking the underlying issue. Its not address root cause.

your thiamine levels are only good if you are supplementing it. there is no way that chronic sick people with their increased demands and low intake of food and food sensitivities and lots of stress have a good level of anything.
my blood work of anything is always too low or border line low, there is nothing for me which is good if i didnt supplement it.

thiamine is essential for processing of carbs... but also fats. too low = insulin resistence and all the symptoms described just above.

Upregulating thiamine by high doses is only masking the underlying issue. Its not address root cause.

nothing of what was talked about in this thread is the root cause of anything. neither does fasting nor anything else. if you want to find the root cause of your CFS then this thread is wrongly titled.

following is the core topic of this thread, and thats what i am responding to:

Carb metabolism has slowed waaay down from age 32[onset of ME] to age 37

And before whereas I could eat 3000 plus calories and burn it off

Now it feels like some days i have to eat just 1200-1500 a day to avoid this hyperinsulinemia

and this can be caused by thiamine... and of course other deficiencies as well.
my diabetes improved substantially after taking 1,5 million IU of vitamin D over the course of a year. from beyond 200mg/dl and a lot of insulin injections to 100mg/dl and just a bit insulin, but i am still tampering off.

With the metabolic changes with ME and inability to tolerate alot of calories and carbs,does this mean the body is more prone to cancer in a slowed down metabolic state?

I have heard Dr Eric Berg on YouTube suggest that sugar feeds cancer cells

can be both, depending on what metabolism your body runs. there are pathways which provide not much energy but they also do not do much oxidative stress and ROS.
and then there are others which do produce more ROS and inflammation which is bad.

fasting is somewhat protective against cancer because cells autophagy when in fasting state.
sugar i dont see as problem , but insulin resistence is, because it prevents effective fasting and keeps body in anabolic state. for autophagy a catabolic state (=fasting) is required.

but the theory that you can starve of cancer, i dont know if its true. because i also read that the cancer can signal the body to produce energy to sustain the cancer. so if there is not enough energy, the cancer will make your body break down to release proteins and nutrition to keep it going. cancer is like a baby cuckoo bird.
and one thing is sure, if your body is starved off of ressources , it will lack the power to fight the cancer. so i dont know about this.
another thing which will fight cancer is vitamin D. so having this will protect somewhat.

i wouldnt rely much on healthy people making claims in that regard.
better read anecdotal stories of people who had bad cancer and got well again, and what they did.

 

[SWAlexander]

My own personal opinion is CFS is a stress hormone metabolic disorder.

I agree. There is much more to it and overlooked most of the time. Having permanent low cortisol fasting is no option for me. I had the best endocrinologist in 2017 who inspired me to search for related issues.
I wondered why most of my friends complained about sleeping disorders, versus me who could sleep a little too much.
I published in my private blog some very close combinations and will continue searching.

Addison's Disease vs Cushing Syndrome, carbohydrates and Psychological Symptoms​

 

[Springbok1988]

For a couple of years, every time I ate carbs I would feel sick and awful. I ended up switching to a keto diet but was unable to maintain it for longer than a year because it required too much effort. I ended up taking thiamine and it completely went away. I can now eat carbs again. Occasionally, I will forget to take the thiamine for a couple of days and the sick feeling will completely return when I eat carbs.

 

[SWAlexander]

Taking thiamine is a good shortcut.
In 2007 my endocrinologist, who diagnosed me with diabetic II told me a trick. I have learned to start my morning with protein, meaning an egg, a little slice of cheese, etc. and never start with cereal or any other carb.
It worked for me ever since.