I still don't get it! 
Information Commissioner's Office orders release of PACE trial data
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Energy Sample, or Any Goddamn Sample?
I still don't get it!
I still don't get it!
I don't understand the AnnieGSampel joke! I get the Spartacus reference but what's the deal with the name?
I get the Spartacus reference but what's the deal with the name?
Edit: I hadn't noticed that it sounded like "an example"! I'm a bit slow sometimes.
From earlier in the thread...
Yes, actometers always contradict any subjective improvements. The Wiborg review of three Dutch CBT/GET trials using actometers came out in 2010 ... not sure how that compares to the timing of the changes to the PACE protocol, specifically the decision to drop the actometers. I think that was one of the questions they refuse to answer
Though PACE investigators certainly could have heard about the Wiborg actometer results a bit earlier. The Dutch authors kept the actometer results buried for at least a couple years, by withholding those results from the original papers that came out years earlier. And they are research groups who share the same beliefs, have worked together in the past, and tend to defend each others work - so the motivation to share the results prior to the 2010 publication of Wiborg could have been there.
Though PACE investigators certainly could have heard about the Wiborg actometer results a bit earlier. The Dutch authors kept the actometer results buried for at least a couple years, by withholding those results from the original papers that came out years earlier. And they are research groups who share the same beliefs, have worked together in the past, and tend to defend each others work - so the motivation to share the results prior to the 2010 publication of Wiborg could have been there.
Minor (?) point - the IRA is/was the militant wing of Sinn Fein, which is a political party.
You are not alone - I didn't get it either.
They(UK gov) need a way out --To back track and come out as the good guys. The NIH Collin's announcement has shown them the future and they don't want to be the bad guys. They just may let these "scientists" hang to achieve that objective.
Yes, actometers always contradict any subjective improvements. The Wiborg review of three Dutch CBT/GET trials using actometers came out in 2010 ... not sure how that compares to the timing of the changes to the PACE protocol, specifically the decision to drop the actometers. I think that was one of the questions they refuse to answer
Though PACE investigators certainly could have heard about the Wiborg actometer results a bit earlier. The Dutch authors kept the actometer results buried for at least a couple years, by withholding those results from the original papers that came out years earlier. And they are research groups who share the same beliefs, have worked together in the past, and tend to defend each others work - so the motivation to share the results prior to the 2010 publication of Wiborg could have been there.
Though PACE investigators certainly could have heard about the Wiborg actometer results a bit earlier. The Dutch authors kept the actometer results buried for at least a couple years, by withholding those results from the original papers that came out years earlier. And they are research groups who share the same beliefs, have worked together in the past, and tend to defend each others work - so the motivation to share the results prior to the 2010 publication of Wiborg could have been there.
Just wanted to add that I just checked, and the petition to retract misleading PACE claims has now reached 8,422 signatures in only nine days.
http://my.meaction.net/petitions/pace-trial-needs-review-now
I'm struck by how much this goes against the so-called "vocal minority" that Queen Mary University say are critical of PACE.
http://my.meaction.net/petitions/pace-trial-needs-review-now
I'm struck by how much this goes against the so-called "vocal minority" that Queen Mary University say are critical of PACE.
Exactly! And the petition's target is 10,000. Only 1,578 to go and that's very, very doable!
If you haven't already signed the petition and spread the word, please do it now.
If you're aware of any relevant FB groups etc. who might not have seen it, or groups you can tweet to, please do that too.
This petition is making history! And if QMUL appeal, it could be a great thing to use at any tribunal.
If you haven't already signed the petition and spread the word, please do it now.
If you're aware of any relevant FB groups etc. who might not have seen it, or groups you can tweet to, please do that too.
This petition is making history! And if QMUL appeal, it could be a great thing to use at any tribunal.
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Maybe, tho SW's pay grade is atmospheric - there is quite a power structure linked to the Wessely group, corporate and political. I get the sense this is pretty localized.
Edited to protect the anonymity of an individual. If other posts have quoted this could they please consider doing the same.
Edited to protect the anonymity of an individual. If other posts have quoted this could they please consider doing the same.
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Meanwhile, one of their victims Karina Hansen is 'celebrating' her third birthday incarcerated, abused and separated from her loving family, a disgraceful crime that, if I recall correctly, has been effectively condoned by the visit of Professor Peter White to Denmark.
The UK media love to publish stuff on extremism and militancy. Here is one of the worst - but still typical - recent examples of UK media (deliberately?) misrepresenting marches/demonstrations and distracting readers from the actual point of the demos.
Bizarrely, immediately beneath this statement from a demonstrator:
"The media twist it. We are peaceful, we are doing this in a peaceful manner, but the media focus on the 1% who cause trouble."
is a series of dramatic photos of the 1%!
It makes much more exciting copy than an interview with a peaceful demonstrator quietly explaining what the demo is about.
The disruptive idiots have infiltrated pretty-well every sizeable demo for as long as I can remember.
The media coverage then gives the public the impression that demonstrators on all issues are militant, lawless troublemakers.
Sound familiar?
(Militants might have more difficulty infiltrating a demo by disabled people, as they are always very obviously able-bodied!)
Bizarrely, immediately beneath this statement from a demonstrator:
"The media twist it. We are peaceful, we are doing this in a peaceful manner, but the media focus on the 1% who cause trouble."
is a series of dramatic photos of the 1%!
It makes much more exciting copy than an interview with a peaceful demonstrator quietly explaining what the demo is about.
The disruptive idiots have infiltrated pretty-well every sizeable demo for as long as I can remember.
The media coverage then gives the public the impression that demonstrators on all issues are militant, lawless troublemakers.
Sound familiar?
(Militants might have more difficulty infiltrating a demo by disabled people, as they are always very obviously able-bodied!)
What might they have been playing?