Dr Kharrazian chronic fatigue and pain syndromes course

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I was wondering if any of you are planning on taking this course by Dr Datis Kharrazian?

I won't be doing it as it's quite expensive, and I am not sure how truly useful it would be. Apparently he has treated people with such issues for 20 years.. Not sure if any were really ME/CFS but who knows.

Would be good to hear your thoughts.

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Gosh, there seem to be an endless # of these programs. I've never heard of this one. I've been looking into ANS rewire and read Dans book, and I have watched an intro video for Curable, watched some info by Wim Hof and his breathing, I looked at the Gupta app. That's as far as I've made it.

What I've learned so far from my limited research is that I think there is something to reducing stress that can help some people, sometimes a little or a lot. I also realized that I spend very little of my days doing anything that would relieve stress. My plan is to add stress relieving activities to my routine.

I don't have any feedback on this program, but I'm curious to see if you will get some replies from people who have done the one you linked for Dr. Kharrazian
 
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Gosh, there seem to be an endless # of these programs. I've never heard of this one. I've been looking into ANS rewire and read Dans book, and I have watched an intro video for Curable, watched some info by Wim Hof and his breathing, I looked at the Gupta app. That's as far as I've made it.

What I've learned so far from my limited research is that I think there is something to reducing stress that can help some people, sometimes a little or a lot. I also realized that I spend very little of my days doing anything that would relieve stress. My plan is to add stress relieving activities to my routine.

I don't have any feedback on this program, but I'm curious to see if you will get some replies from people who have done the one you linked for Dr. Kharrazian
It's not an "alternate thinking" type of program - I think it's more aligned with finding endocrinoligical, neurological, nutritional, etc dysfunctions or deficiencies and treating them to try and return patients to health.

Eg Dr K is a strong advocate for treating hashimotos beyond the standard "tsh is all you need" that a lot of doctors employ, as well as having books on healing the BBB, gut, etc.

I just wondered if he's likely to have any insights beyond what the general ME population have already figured out and try to treat/target themselves.
 

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I was wondering if any of you are planning on taking this course by Dr Datis Kharrazian?

I won't be doing it as it's quite expensive, and I am not sure how truly useful it would be. Apparently he has treated people with such issues for 20 years.. Not sure if any were really ME/CFS but who knows.

Would be good to hear your thoughts.

Link here.
Dr K is a reputable functional medicine practitioner. For the price of the conference, there is a lot of information. Visits with some ME/CFS specialists cost more than that. From my experience and what I know of this doctor, there would be a lot of helpful info that could help one figure out what issues are applicable to one's situation. The only drawback is it doesn't seem to include any prescription drugs, which might be part of a comprehensive approach. But, no doctor, no matter how smart or experienced, has all the answers. This is a good overview to augment conventional medical thinking.
It's not an "alternate thinking" type of program - I think it's more aligned with finding endocrinoligical, neurological, nutritional, etc dysfunctions or deficiencies and treating them to try and return patients to health.

Eg Dr K is a strong advocate for treating hashimotos beyond the standard "tsh is all you need" that a lot of doctors employ, as well as having books on healing the BBB, gut, etc.

I just wondered if he's likely to have any insights beyond what the general ME population have already figured out and try to treat/target themselves.
I know I've covered most of the areas he discusses, but I also know most patients have not had them addressed by their doctors, so it could be quite helpful for many patients.
 
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It's interesting if he has the reputation @Learner1 mentions.

But I'm always skeptical when a doctor is claiming that he sees the “big picture” of this illness. And I'm always hesitant when someone uses the term “fatigue” because that's not my issue.

Then I think it's way overpriced. And I think US specialists have very fancy fees too, so for me that's not an argument. You pay almost 600$ to stream sth?

But if you attend it I would be happy to read if you have gained more knowledge than what one can find here or elsewhere about how to approach testing and treatment of this condition.
 
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Yeah @Learner1 it sounds like it'd be interesting, just a bit steep for me to gamble right now. I enjoyed his books but also found them a little useless at the same time - ie he doesn't give a flow chart of what he'd look at when and what to do in what situation, just very broad recommendations. Overall gave me the impression that you'd have to see one of his team to actually see what their process is.

@Martin aka paused||M.E. Yeah the fact he is already very successful and then prices a video seminar series like that leaves a bad taste in my mouth.. I'm hoping that someone on here was already planning to attend and could share their experience afterwards.. Fingers crossed.
 

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Yeah @Learner1 it sounds like it'd be interesting, just a bit steep for me to gamble right now. I enjoyed his books but also found them a little useless at the same time - ie he doesn't give a flow chart of what he'd look at when and what to do in what situation, just very broad recommendations. Overall gave me the impression that you'd have to see one of his team to actually see what their process is.

@Martin aka paused||M.E. Yeah the fact he is already very successful and then prices a video seminar series like that leaves a bad taste in my mouth.. I'm hoping that someone on here was already planning to attend and could share their experience afterwards.. Fingers crossed.
I would say he just does the usual stuff

Getting off gluten
Meditate
Measure your toxins and detox,
Sauna
Thyroid supplements
Bringing inflammation down
Some brain retraining
Replacing minerals,vitamins
Testing for viruses
Heavy metal chelation
Leaky gut


Bla bla bla, why would you want to pay for this

Well you could go on the medical medium protocol,it's for free and has all the similar approaches than every functional medicine practioner has
 
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Lol ,....hehehe,,,,you don t need to like him ...no seriously I think he is just a clever business man ,and did some really good research .,(such as we do ,right) anyway his different protocols and infos are not too bad,and ppl obviously have results .Tammy on here did .and not everyone is able to take meds. so he offers an natural approach. With food,herbs ,supplements and chelating heavy metals.

https://www.medicalmedium.com/blog/epstein-barr-virus
 
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Lol ,....hehehe,,,,you don t need to like him ...no seriously I think he is just a clever business man ,and did some really good research .,(such as we do ,right) anyway his different protocols and infos are not too bad,and ppl obviously have results .Tammy on here did .and not everyone is able to take meds. so he offers an natural approach. With food,herbs ,supplements and chelating heavy metals.

https://www.medicalmedium.com/blog/epstein-barr-virus
Really? I thought he was a complete quack - weird religious stuff as well with his "angel" or whatever that "tells him what's wrong with someone".. :-/
 
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Really? I thought he was a complete quack - weird religious stuff as well with his "angel" or whatever that "tells him what's wrong with someone".. :-/
He is. He just repeats what others in the scientific area have discovered and vomits it out in his social media channel as information by god. Really guys, come on... What should this bord become? Do we still take science serious?
 

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He is. He just repeats what others in the scientific area have discovered and vomits it out in his social media channel as information by god. Really guys, come on... What should this bord become? Do we still take science serious?
Sure he does ,(also think he is a full blown covert narcissist) but still his infos (even not his own,and definetely not the ones of a ghost )and approach is good .I mean where do the functional doctors get their infos from.they have not inveted it themselves.and also charge so much money.
 

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I have attended Dr. Kharrazian's thyroid and digestive courses in the past. I rate him a step above many functional doctors in that he conducts a great deal of research and seems to critically evaluate scientific literature himself instead of simply repeating functional medicine narratives. He also upfront tells people that there is no cure for autoimmune diseases and many complex conditions, and if someone tells you that they can cure you, you should run. In his workshops, he does go into depth and provide a step-by-step process.

He does use tools that are helpful for many people, ie identifying food sensitivities/autoimmune cross-reactivities, trying an "auto-immune paleo diet", optimizing adrenal, identifying pathogens, using neutraceuticals etc, and I can see how he would get results for many conditions, but I think many of us here have done all of these things, with modest to no benefit. I am doubtful of any added insight beyond the above.
 

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Yeah @Learner1 it sounds like it'd be interesting, just a bit steep for me to gamble right now. I enjoyed his books but also found them a little useless at the same time - ie he doesn't give a flow chart of what he'd look at when and what to do in what situation, just very broad recommendations. Overall gave me the impression that you'd have to see one of his team to actually see what their process is
unfortunately, beyond general things, This is not a do-it-yourself project. Everything must be individualized to the individual patient who has unique genetics and environmental factors creating their illness. This particular course is for medical practitioners, and not patients, and it assists doctors in knowing what tests to run and what treatments can be prescribed.
you could go on the medical medium protocol,it's for free and has all the similar approaches than every functional medicine practioner has
unfortunately, as others have said, his approach is not based on science. And some of his prescriptions can be quite harmful, for instance, he suggests a lot of high oxalate foods and juices, which could exacerbate the oxalate problems of patients who have been on antibiotics.
What should this bord become? Do we still take science serious?

I don't believe that “functional doctors” are much better. You nailed it in your post above what they all do and you pay them thousands of dollars for sth you could easily read up in Facebook groups... Might be harsh, but that is my impression
agreed, we need to use science in what we're doing. The problem is is studies are not run on patients like us, they are run on generic people who may or may not share our characteristics. That's why functional medicine needs to be individualized to the patient, with tests being run to determine someone's unique characteristics.

I've also seen the limits of both functional medicine and conventional medicine, and believe that a large box of tools should be used to help complex patients like us. There are no easy answers.

QUOTE="Shanti1, post: 2367769, member: 41115"]I have attended Dr. Kharrazian's thyroid and digestive courses in the past. I rate him a step above many functional doctors in that he conducts a great deal of research and seems to critically evaluate scientific literature himself instead of simply repeating functional medicine narratives. He also upfront tells people that there is no cure for autoimmune diseases and many complex conditions, and if someone tells you that they can cure you, you should run. In his workshops, he does go into depth and provide a step-by-step process.

He does use tools that are helpful for many people, ie identifying food sensitivities/autoimmune cross-reactivities, trying an "auto-immune paleo diet", optimizing adrenal, identifying pathogens, using neutraceuticals etc, and I can see how he would get results for many conditions, but I think many of us here have done all of these things, with modest to no benefit. I am doubtful of any added insight beyond the above.[/QUOTE]
We have complex issues. Just doing spinal surgery, antivirals, antibiotics, or immune modulators is not enough. The kinds of things that have plagued us have caused a cascade of other issues, and this is where functional medicine can help reverse some of that cascade. It is best to use in concert with the best of conventional medicine in using an individualized approach.

Thank you and for investing the time and money to attend and summarizing what you learn for us. I too doubt that he's going to fix anyone's ME CFS permanently, although I think a lot of what he does can be very beneficial.