Dr. Francis Collins (NIH): "Forty similar deliberate-infection studies" ME/CFS??


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Is ME/CFS just one of those "forty similar deliberate-infection studies"???
Below is the NIH "Freedom of Information Act" page with guidelines. I would like to know what those other 40 deliberate-infection studies are. We have a right to that information, so, if others would also send a FOIA request for this information and look to see if CFS/ME, Retrovirus, and other key words for our symptoms, etc. are in that list then we will have evidence that yes, we are an experiment that went horribly wrong and worldwide. Please send the FOIA request to NIH. Dr. Collins made the statement, so we have a right to know WHAT that 40 infections are.
"The U.S. government ordered two independent investigations to uncover exactly what happened in Guatemala and to make sure current bioethics rules are adequate. They will be led by the prestigious Institute of Medicine and the Presidential Commission for the Study of Bioethical Issues.
While deliberately trying to infect people with serious diseases is abhorrent today, the Guatemalan experiment is not the only example from what National Institutes of Health Director Dr. Francis Collins on Friday called "a dark chapter in the history of medicine." Forty similar deliberate-infection studies were conducted in the United States during that period, Collins said.NIHinfo@od.nih.gov


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A book that really opened my eyes was "plutonium files' read it about 9 yrs ago, they wrote it based on foia stuff released under clinton '94


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Woodridge, IL
where does the 40 deliberate infection studies quote come from? (I just skimmed the freedom of info act info, so if it is in there, sorry I missed it

I have been saying for quite some time that I think the way we have been treated is way more than greed or ignorance.......have thought it was in vaccines or done as a biological warfare experiment type of thing......this does not surprise me at all, but I want to be able to pass the info along to skeptics so I need to know exactly where the quote came from


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Logan, Queensland, Australia
Hi muffin, I have been thinking about these revelations for two days now. If CFS is related, would this make CFS the 42nd such atrocity? I know some people are calling it the third (but we have yet to find proof). I really wish someone would leak the secret UK documents to wikileaks.



Slow But Hopeful
Couchland, USA
Muffin! Thank you for posting this great resource and great suggestion.
Do you know if we need to word our requests specifically, i.e. know precisely what documents we are looking for?
Or is it enough to ask for "any and all documents pertaining to deliberate infection of individuals or groups by any US government agency or known to any US government agency"?

I also think it might be useful to request documentation of accidental infection. Another thread (I think it's "Could XMRV be Transmitted by Vaccine")
led me to this link, an FDA-sponsored conference on SV40 and such from 1999, with Francis Collins in attendance.
There's quite the list HERE:

There's quite the list / Timeline HERE:

and continued... HERE:

The above links probably cover many of the "deliberates", but as someone stated in the comments following the article(s), there are more........

My own speculation/consideration fwiw (if anything):

Lyme is referred to as Tuskegee II ... W/ the Plum Island Hx, etc. that would be one to add.....
Not sure if I see anything obvious that points to CFS other than the mention of GWS (civilian similarity) & also HepB vaccs as potential culprits... otherwise misc chemical assaults....


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Victoria, Australia
Shameful, shameful, shameful!

Judging by this list, it's not beyond the realms of possibility that something else sinister (but as yet 'unconfessed'), has been foisted upon the unknowing public. Certainly it could account for our governments’ all-out efforts to conceal and belittle the existence and importance of M.E./CFS


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Sofa, UK
The really shocking thing to me, is that the breaking of this news has come as such a shock to so many people! I think it's fantastic news that this has come out; it should really make people sit up and think, and help to break them out of their naive trust. And in terms of the much deeper and darker conspiracy theories about our illness, I have to agree there as well with other posters: really sinister origins to our illness really are plausible. Not that I believe dogmatically that our illness was engineered, I really have no idea, and no conspiracy theorist out there knows either, no matter how certain they are that they know what's really going on. But I keep an open mind: it is absolutely possible. Stop press: believe it or not, people sometimes do very, very bad things, and scientists and doctors are no exception to that.


Testing new drugs and even weaponry on uninformed citizens is nothing new.....but indeed it is horribly unethical. I'm glad to see a public apology and admission of a history involving other such testing....but this public apology is just a useless token unless followed with a complete fessing up and taking full responsibility for all of it....especially the testing that continues to affect people today.

They act abhorred like this is some new discovery of outrageous policy that would never happen in todays world...haha. It's an insult to the world by acting like they didn't know about this....cmon, their fessin up only because they got busted. If they want me to believe they truly want to make it right......they need to walk their talk.


Slow But Hopeful
Couchland, USA
The whole of the list of atrocities is absolutely nauseating. Of course I haven't the time to verify the sources etc, but much of it seems well documented; but as Reverby points out in the article posted above, there is a great deal of misinformation floating around.

Here's a tidbit from The List that just adds salt to the festering sore of horrors:

Chester M. Southam, who injected Ohio State Prison inmates with live cancer cells in 1952, performs the same procedure on 22 senile, African-American female patients at the Brooklyn Jewish Chronic Disease Hospital in order to watch their immunological response. Southam tells the patients that they are receiving "some cells," but leaves out the fact that they are cancer cells. He claims he doesn't obtain informed consent from the patients because he does not want to frighten them by telling them what he is doing, but he nevertheless temporarily loses his medical license because of it. Ironically, he eventually becomes president of the American Cancer Society (Greger, Merritte, et al.).