Doctors In The US Doing IVIG

Jackb23

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Are there any ME/CFS doctors in the US doing IVIG, Plasmapheresis or HBOT?

I am looking for a doctor who will treat me with some of these things. I have already tried antivirals, abilify, etc..

If they have a way to use Pentaglobin, even better.
 

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I don't know any doctors in particularly. But I might be able to shed some light onto each treatment.

Firstly, I don't think any of those 3 treatments are accessible if you go through mainstream traditional medicine doctors. HBOT is only prescribed in cases of wound healing and burns. A family member had several (on and off) wounds on the feet over 4 years where each took forever to heal. And getting HBOT even then (which we pushed because swould help for other issues brain againg & shoulder injury) was not simple from the doctor.

Regarding IVIG, I am currently searching to find a doctor who will prescribe it for a family member with PANDAS, which it an approved case for it. Even some of PANDAS doctors we've contacted said they don't prescribe IVIG. And its very difficult to get insurance to pay for it. The only situation where a doctor would easily prescribe it would be if you have lab tests showing low IgG or autoantibodies to textbook autoimmune disease. Insurance would pay for it in those situations. Some ME/CFS doctors will prescribe IVIG to their patients, but it's hit or miss finding one I'd think. And it would depend on one's situation. But cost to the patient is a serious hurdle.

As for apheresis, I don't really know anything about it in traditional medicine cases. Usually only in severe autoimmune diseases. I haven't heard of any Long Covid patient being able to access it in the US. So I think that would probably be the hardest to get.

On a more positive spin, the easiest probably to get would be HBOT. There are several pure HBOT clinics around the country with multiple hard shell tanks where they offer HBOT as a service if you have a doctor's note/prescription. Thse adverstise it's use for, and have, all kinds of patients: head injuries, autism, lyme, CFS, etc. It would be pretty easy to get a doctor's not recommending it and taking it to them. Another option is finding some lyme/chronic fatigue/integrative/anti-aging doctors that has an HBOT chamber in his office. Several have hard shell HBOTs in their office. And some only have soft shell hbot chambers. I've heard of some softshell hbots that autism families buy themselves and share with others. But prices for buying your own soft HBOT are low enough that it can be achieved if one really wants. If you search long enough you might find someone selling a used one too. You can reach close to equivalent hardshell HBOT 100% oxygen levels if you add supplemental oxygen to the soft shell & use a rebreather mask (search this form I've made posts about it).
 

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For my family member with PANDAS, we are planning on treating using apheresis & IVIG, specifically immunoadsorption & (now with the Prusty news) Pentaglobin. The only reasonable way to get it is to go to Germany and pay cash for both. We have friends & family there for a place to stay. It would still be very expensive.I would love to just discuss both treatments with an knowledgable person or doctor (not neccessarily a doctor who would give treatment, but just provide info) just to learn more and ask questions, but I don't know where to start.

I have found a couple places in Germany (noteably Hannover Dialyslis) that have treated international Long Covid patients with HELP apheresis & immunoadsorption. According to a few stories on reddit, all they needed was a doctor's note and prescription (from the US presumably). It was, at least at the time for those patients, roughly $12,500 for 10 "adsorptions," which you could get from 1 filter.

I do not know where it is possible to get IVIG in Germany. Some apheresis places are also infusion clincics so you might be able to get it there too. Some immunadsorption studies give IVIG after the immunadsorption. My family hasn't gotten that far in the process for our PANDAS patient.

The only place I know where Pentaglobin is approved and/or used is in Germany, coincidentally enough. It appears like you can buy it as subq from pharmacies on IndiaMart. But I would be very hesitant to take anything via IV from international pharmacies.
 

Jackb23

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@junkcrap50 That’s crazy to me that they won’t prescribe IVIG for your relative. Did they say why?


I saw that you can buy Pentaglobin online but I am not comfortable doing that. I’m sure I’m not the only one that wants to try Pentaglobin. The internet will be the first to know when others get their hands on it.


I am lucky in that I have a ton of resources at my disposal and I’m pretty sure that my parents would go to the end of the world to help me.

We’ve been trying the psychiatry route for this since I was 17 and I have since become quite pigeon holed in terms of what I can tolerate because of this . I have pretty mild me/cfs but this has since turned more towards the moderate scale after doing a botched procedure with my doctor in January. I am about to lose everything and have had to move back home.
 

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@junkcrap50 That’s crazy to me that they won’t prescribe IVIG for your relative. Did they say why?
They just said they treat PANDAS but don't prescribe IVIG. Didn't really say why, but my guess is probably because it's too much work to get it approved for insurance. They would have to go back and forth with them showing medical necessity, which is a lot of paper work / office work. But I was shocked that these doctors' advertising and known to be PANDAS doctors but wouldn't give IVIG. I mean that's basically the only treatment. They're only use I guess is just make a diagnosis & try antibiotics & steroids for only immediately acute cases.

Family member is not a typical PANDAS case anyway as the PANDAS onset was long ago (person's functional but struggling and still messing up their life, and worsened from covid), so even if the doctor did prescribe it they probably wouldn't in our situation.

I am lucky in that I have a ton of resources at my disposal and I’m pretty sure that my parents would go to the end of the world to help me.
Yes. I can't imagine how some patients with little or no support cope. I don't think they survive very long.

We’ve been trying the psychiatry route for this since I was 17 and I have since become quite pigeon holed in terms of what I can tolerate because of this . I have pretty mild me/cfs but this has since turned more towards the moderate scale after doing a botched procedure with my doctor in January. I am about to lose everything and have had to move back home.
I'm sorry to hear that. I've been there too - drowning in life and had to move back home. Have you looked into, tried, or considered trying peptides? Just a random thought as that might be something more accessible and easier to try than the 3 treatments you listed.

In your situation, I would probably try to find one of the bigger name CFS doctors in the country & choose the one who does the most thorough & biggest testing panel at the beginning. Even things that don't seem applicable to you but is known to be found in ME/CFS. Because, saying well it's not really indicated in your situation will just piss time away. When you run out of things to test and try years later, you end up returning to trying things you could have done earlier. And why close off something that could possibly lead to some treatment. For instance, I couldn't get my CFS doctor, who I like and think is a good doctor, to do a spinal tap & test CSF even though my symptoms used to be entirely cognitive. To some treatment ideas he also says, "yeah, I've tried that in a few patients, and it didn't help that many." But that's not the point, I don't care if it fails 99times but works or helps 1x for me. So you have to find someone who is willing to try. And the best people for that are not necessarily a CFS doctor specialist. Rather I've observed the best doctors willing to try are those who care, curious, and have energy to find a solution.

Basically, treating ME/CFS is trial and erroring every test and treatment known to show something wrong in some ME/CFS cases and shown to help or cure some CFS patient. If there's an annedcote of one thing curing or impmroving a patient, it's on the list to try. Obviously, you'd prioritize treatments based on success and number of annecdotes and also take into account risk and chances of damage from the treatment. But you can't rule anything out if there's 1 case of it working. "Luck-based medicine" is what one person coined it.
 

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@junkcrap50

What peptides specifically are you referring to? I am looking up doctors, but not really finding anyone that pops out to me as "Oh they can get me better". TBH, I dont know if any of them can get me better. We dont even have an approved treatment for this condition. I dont even know where to look next. I just feel like my life is over. I had so much going for me and was in a really good place for the most part and then this neurofeedback doctor said "Yea, we can fix the OCD".

I did do a spinal tap to test for encephalitis around 2018.
 

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@junkcrap50

What peptides specifically are you referring to? I am looking up doctors, but not really finding anyone that pops out to me as "Oh they can get me better". TBH, I dont know if any of them can get me better. We dont even have an approved treatment for this condition. I dont even know where to look next. I just feel like my life is over. I had so much going for me and was in a really good place for the most part and then this neurofeedback doctor said "Yea, we can fix the OCD".

I did do a spinal tap to test for encephalitis around 2018.
There are lots of peptides. But I was mostly thinking of the immune modulating & anti-inflammatory ones: Thymosin Alpha, Thymosin Beta, Thymalin, BPC157, KPV, Epithalon, Pinealon, SS31, GHK-Cu, Vilon, NAD+, etc.

One doctor maybe to look up is Ken Holtorf, MD. He has a clinic and sees/treats all chronic fatigue related / chronic health conditions: CFS, lyme, fibro, etc. I don't know what the patient experience with him is like or have any annecdotes. My parents have met him and seen him talk at a few A4M/AMMG medical conferences many years ago. But he's probably very expensive and cash only. He's big into peptides, FYI.
 
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Hello everyone my neurologist wants me to start SCIG for CFS. I have bought them but based on my mast cell disorder he left to me to take what protocol I consider to be good before the injection 🙁 I do not know what to take exactly.

From what I read is H1 Difenhidramine 50mg + 20mg Famotidine.

What protocol or premedication should I take before the injection ?
 
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You could try getting treatment at the online RTHM clinic, if you are in a state they cover. They are expensive and don't take insurance, but I use them, and my doctor there is willing to prescribe SCIg.