Do animals other than humans get CFS/ME?

[Sophiedw]

Does anyone know of any species or cases?

 

[bensmith]

I have wondered this as well. I also
Wondered if people got it hundreds of years ago.

 

[Irat]

Domestic pets can yes,with wild animals I don t know.
Which other humans do you mean ?I think everyone can get ME under certain circumstances,but there are found less numbers of neurological illnesses like ME,Parkinson,MS etc in certain countries or tribes.

The history of ME/CFS
https://me-pedia.org/wiki/History_of_myalgic_encephalomyelitis_and_chronic_fatigue_syndrome

 

[Sophiedw]

Sorry I said do animals OTHER THAN humans haha. I mean creatures that aren’t human.

 

[Sophiedw]

Classifying human as animals in the original question, as we are! Just more evolved

 

[Revel]

It has certainly been diagnosed in dogs and horses.

Years ago, my (much missed) old pony contracted CFS following a virus. Despite making some degree of recovery by the 18 month mark, she was never the same.

The vet diagnosed CFS. He did not, however, suggest that we treat her with CBT/GET, hypnotherapy or antidepressants that my GP was trying to throw my way . . . I should have made an appointment with the vet instead.

 

[bensmith]

Vets are smarter than doctors.

Sorry about your horse that sucks. Damn i figured it was just an ape thing, or maybe even a modern ape thing. Sad to hear that.

 

[Viala]

The vet diagnosed CFS. He did not, however, suggest that we treat her with CBT/GET, hypnotherapy or antidepressants that my GP was trying to throw my way . . . I should have made an appointment with the vet instead.

He probably didn't also say that the pony is hypochondriac. Sorry about your pony.

 

[Viala]

Does anyone know of any species or cases?

Interesting topic! I am curious now how CFS animals are treated, or animals which were not diagnosed with CFS, but having similar symptoms. @Dr.Lynne maybe you heard about this?

 

[seamyb]

If my puppy gets CFS I will never get over it. And this being said despite wishing he would just chill out.

 

[Revel]

! I am curious now how CFS animals are treated

In the pony's case, she was too fatigued to gain all her calories from walking around the pasture to graze, so we had to supplement her with nutrient dense feed and supportive equine supplements. She needed as stress-free an environment as possible and any changes to her daily routine were made slowly so as not to overwhelm her senses. She would even notice if a tractor was parked in a different location in the farmyard and start to become agitated (prior to the onset of CFS, vehicles of any description had not been an issue, from cars to combine harvesters). Plus, rest, rest and more rest, asking as little of her as possible.

Doctors could learn so much from vets.

 

[Viala]

In the pony's case, she was too fatigued to gain all her calories from walking around the pasture to graze, so we had to supplement her with nutrient dense feed and supportive equine supplements. She needed as stress-free an environment as possible and any changes to her daily routine were made slowly so as not to overwhelm her senses. She would even notice if a tractor was parked in a different location in the farmyard and start to become agitated (prior to the onset of CFS, vehicles of any description had not been an issue, from cars to combine harvesters). Plus, rest, rest and more rest, asking as little of her as possible.

It is so sad poor pony, not knowing what is wrong and why. Do you know what virus was that and where she caught it?

Doctors could learn so much from vets.

I think this is very true. From what I've researched, similar ailments to those we have are differently treated in animals, with minerals and vitamins for example.

 

[Revel]

Do you know what virus was that and where she caught it?

It was a "hit and run" type of virus (unable to determine specifically) thought to have been caught from a new pony at the farm who was symptom-free but clearly a carrier.

 

[Rufous McKinney]

Animals do exhibit sickness behavior- holing up, to recover from an injury.

My dog got bitten by a rattle snake and we barely were able to save him. He survived, but really never truely recovered, and it wiped him out. He had no energy , and had lymphatic issues afterwards. We tried to get him help but there was't much the vets could do. So he lasted about six months.

 

[marlunette]

Dr. Naviaux's has proposed that ME/CFS is similar to dauer states/torpor/hibernation in animals: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ndrome-may-be-a-human-version-of-hibernation/

I imagine that it's possible for other animals to get stuck in these states, just like us.

 

[lenora]

Domestic pets can yes,with wild animals I don t know.
Which other humans do you mean ?I think everyone can get ME under certain circumstances,but there are found less numbers of neurological illnesses like ME,Parkinson,MS etc in certain countries or tribes.

The history of ME/CFS
https://me-pedia.org/wiki/History_of_myalgic_encephalomyelitis_and_chronic_fatigue_syndrome

Thanks, Irat, that was most interesting. I knew about many of the outbreaks but not all of them. This seems to come and go as the winds blow, doesn't it. One of the reasons it's so hard to track down an actual case, if indeed there is just one causes (which I personally doubt). But my input doesn't matter, it's the input of researchers and scientists, isn't it? The symptoms are so diverse....no wonder an ordinary doctor can't put it together, but as I've remarked on before, he can be kind and understanding of those who suffer what was delivered to our doorstep(s). Yours, Lenora.

 

[Sophiedw]

Thanks, Irat, that was most interesting. I knew about many of the outbreaks but not all of them. This seems to come and go as the winds blow, doesn't it. One of the reasons it's so hard to track down an actual case, if indeed there is just one causes (which I personally doubt). But my input doesn't matter, it's the input of researchers and scientists, isn't it? The symptoms are so diverse....no wonder an ordinary doctor can't put it together, but as I've remarked on before, he can be kind and understanding of those who suffer what was delivered to our doorstep(s). Yours, Lenora.

I agree, thank you @Irat this is extremely interesting. This passage “ Epidemic cases of benign myalgic encephalomyelitis were called mass hysteria by psychiatrists McEvedy and Beard in 1970,[15] provoking criticism in letters to the editor of the British Medical Journal by outbreak researchers, attending physicians, and physicians who fell ill.” sounds all too familiar. Good old Britain ahead of the curve as always on dismissing ME and related illnesses.

I shall continue reading!

 

[Sophiedw]

Sorry about your poor pony @Revel, at least she was not dismissed by the vets, as you say, and had some dignity in her illness. And sorry about your dog @Rufous McKinney always heart breaking to lose a pet. But I agree the sickness behaviour is not dissimilar, especially in the case of the pony.

 

[Sophiedw]

It is so sad poor pony, not knowing what is wrong and why. Do you know what virus was that and where she caught it?



I think this is very true. From what I've researched, similar ailments to those we have are differently treated in animals, with minerals and vitamins for example.

Big pharma seems to have not got its claws into the veterinary industry 😐

 

[Wishful]

Dr. Naviaux's has proposed that ME/CFS is similar to dauer states/torpor/hibernation in animals:

If we could clinically determine whether an animal had ME, it would be interesting to see whether it was more or less likely to occur in animals that have a true hibernation state.