Dill/Parsley gives anxiety/food craving

[Vladimir]

I felt amazing on my very limited diet (meat, olive oil, ghee, cucumber, tomatoes, rice/buckwheat crisps) until I decided to introduce some dill and parsley 4 days ago in order to get more Mg and Ca naturally.

I am not sure 100% but it looks like it gives me extreme anxiety and sweet cravings - it appeared gradually on day 2 and only today I realized that dill and parsley might be the source of the issue.

I wonder if anyone else had a similar adverse reaction to dill and/or parsley?

I will post an update as soon as I test my theory.

 

[linusbert]

i think i had this once over my salad and i got weird arrhythmia from it for like 30-60min. probably some kind of allergic or immune reaction.

if you want to get natural mg/ca you can also check out bottled mineral water.
in germany we have brands like "ensinger sport" and "staatl. fachingen" which have either very high calcium or high magnesium content.

https://www.fachingen.de/analyse-still.aspx

https://shop.ensinger.de/produkte/mineral-heilwasser/275/ensinger-sport-still?number=708

you just got to watch out for the high sulfur and/or hydrogencarbonate contents. not everyone can stomach those.

 

[Vladimir]

First update. No dill/parsley for lunch today - no anxiety/cravings so far.

Yesterday, the reaction was instantaneous - extreme cravings for forbidden stuff (milk, fruits, desserts) followed by increasing anxiety.

I will keep posting more updates.

 

[Vladimir]

if you want to get natural mg/ca you can also check out bottled mineral water.

Thanks for the suggestion. I figured it's better to find a rehydration powder stick with the minerals ration that I need. Much easier for travels etc.

But first, need to confirm that dill/parsley was indeed the source of the problems...

 

[LINE]

Best guess: Spices and herbs contain polyphenols which can modify metabolic pathways.

 

[LINE]

Other possibility is that pathogenic bacteria etc. could be using some of the chemicals to proliferate thus evoking immune response. Anxiety stems from immune activation as far as I am concerned, it is the glutamate that is released from the immune reaction that stimulates anxiety.

 

[Vladimir]

Hm, looks reasonable. Dill contains quite a lot of polyphenols, namely Quercetin:

http://phenol-explorer.eu/contents/food/761

 

[Vladimir]

it is the glutamate that is released from the immune reaction that stimulates anxiety.

Right, the only way to stop that anxiety was to get Baclofen which is GABA-B agonist which counteracts glutamate.

 

[Dysfunkion]

I believe it's some immune mediated neurological dysfunction. The easiest way for me to induce that extreme anxiety with sweet or just general junk food cravings (think of it like I want a giant plate of honey fried extra salty chicken wings and fries but only nothing can satisfy the craving) is too be exposed to artificial chemicals I'm sensitive to, over exposure to EMF radiation, or possibly some other adverse reaction to a supplement. It appears to be some neuro-immune thing, the junk food craving part may just be something the brain automatically does when there's an over abundance of excitory transmitters it can't clear out like glutamate is probably a major culprit like someone else mentioned when having a reaction to something. I have also induced it with vitamin D3 before.

I despise it, it's one of my worst symptoms and it makes me look so bad if I have to be in public when my brain can't even look another human in the eye or coming at me without having a mini panic attack. It comes with speech problems and motor dysfunction too for me. If I could get rid of this my life would be so much easier.

 

[linusbert]

I believe it's some immune mediated neurological dysfunction. The easiest way for me to induce that extreme anxiety with sweet or just general junk food cravings (think of it like I want a giant plate of honey fried extra salty chicken wings and fries but only nothing can satisfy the craving) is too be exposed to artificial chemicals I'm sensitive to, over exposure to EMF radiation, or possibly some other adverse reaction to a supplement. It appears to be some neuro-immune thing, the junk food craving part may just be something the brain automatically does when there's an over abundance of excitory transmitters it can't clear out like glutamate is probably a major culprit like someone else mentioned when having a reaction to something. I have also induced it with vitamin D3 before.

I despise it, it's one of my worst symptoms and it makes me look so bad if I have to be in public when my brain can't even look another human in the eye or coming at me without having a mini panic attack. It comes with speech problems and motor dysfunction too for me. If I could get rid of this my life would be so much easier.

oh my that sounds absolute horrible!
i hope you can get improvement on that.

did you try thiamin for this?

 

[Dysfunkion]

oh my that sounds absolute horrible!
i hope you can get improvement on that.

did you try thiamin for this?

I have actually been unknowingly been having thiamine multiple times a week through enriched rice and I found it was actually making my situation much worse and I've been somewhat clearer headed since stopping using it but I'm not sure if it was specifically the thiamine in it that was the issue. When I tried actually supplementing it I got a short burst of energy at first and then it dropped off into much worse fatigue and brain fog. I knew if I kept pushing it I was going to crash based on how I was feeling so I never touched it again. Minimizing my supplement stack has done a lot more for me than adding things on.

 

[LINE]

B vitamins can be challenging (I wanted to say "funky" :>) They target certain aspects of the metabolism and dominance of one can tip the others over.

Best results for glutamate dumping is GABA under the tongue. Oral administration is a dud for me, but a lozenge of GABA does the trick. Source Naturals makes a lozenge.

Vitamin B2 has always been preferred over B1. I also like B6 and B5.

 

[Vladimir]

So, I got rid of dill and parsley and things got back to the good.

Diet definitely works for me. I feel better every day - it's slow but noticeable. I reintroduced eggs - probably I just had to boil or cook them better so that there was no uncooked egg white left which might cause an autoimmune reaction if it's raw.

I sleep MUCH better. I don't have food cravings at all. I eat twice as less calories as I did before - it's quite hard to overeat with meat . I have much more energy through the day, I don't wake up exhausted.

The only supplement I consume is D3 (5000) combined with K2, B6 and Zinc from the popular US brand. My D level was 19 two months ago, now it's 56.

I am still experimenting with Potassium Citrate - it helped me a lot initially without any side effects, but now on this new diet it feels like it drastically increases bile flow which disrupts my digestion. So, I plan to discontinue it completely for several days to see if it's the reason of the periodic gurgling in my stomach Same for magnesium - even 100mg messes with my digestion, so I dropped it completely.

Also, I suspect that I'm getting deficient of calcium (I calculated, I can get around only 100-150mg per day from what I can eat) and supplements seem like not doing their work - calcium citrate gives the same effect as potassium/magnesium - too much bile, too much motility.

My hypothesis is that with the new limited diet my digestion got more or less healthy yet still very fragile so that any attempt to get a mineral from a "non-natural" source causes digestive issues. So, I will start reintroducing cottage cheese carefully for calcium and provide more update here.

 

[linusbert]

glad you are back on the right road.

Diet definitely works for me. I feel better every day - it's slow but noticeable. I reintroduced eggs - probably I just had to boil or cook them better so that there was no uncooked egg white left which might cause an autoimmune reaction if it's raw.

i have it similiar with immune response, i somehow tolerate eggs better the more hard the egg white is... BUT on the contrary the egg yolk is better for me if its runny. so how do i get hard egg whites and soft yolks.

though hard boiled eggs are harder for my digestive system. runny yolk without whites is easiest.


you could eat the egg shells, those are rich in calcium. BUUUT as we do not know what chemicals they are treated with and also potential of salmonella probably no good idea.

there is sango coral, its a natural rich source of calcium and also magnesium.

 

[Vladimir]

So, I got some cottage cheese for diner yesterday and the result is really bad - my sleep was much worse, plus nightmares. Today's energy level is significantly lower. Definitely, no dairy for me.

 

[Vladimir]

I felt pretty good and improving on my new diet until I moved to a new country (US) and had to introduce local ghee butter when my original supply ended - it took me then 3 days to figure out that I have strong negative reaction to it, similar to dill/parsley from the initial post - anxiety, food craving, tiredness.

I plan to post a new big update on my diet as soon as I got some stable results for at least two weeks.

 

[linusbert]

I felt pretty good and improving on my new diet until I moved to a new country (US) and had to introduce local ghee butter when my original supply ended - it took me then 3 days to figure out that I have strong negative reaction to it, similar to dill/parsley from the initial post - anxiety, food craving, tiredness.

I plan to post a new big update on my diet as soon as I got some stable results for at least two weeks.

glad you got better. the ghee is often rancid. i actually didnt find one which isnt, at least not in germany.
though, USA is the country with probably the worst food in the world (imho), i hope you can find good regional organic providers for what you eat.