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How did you impelment Dr. Kruse's protocol?
very interesting. Wonder how much of your adaptation was physical vs psychological. Still, both are very beneficialI did face plunges (as JKruse recommends) in increasingly cold water for a couple of weeks and started finishing showers with cool water....working down to the coldest setting - only briefly at first.
Then I started with baths, which were easier than showers, of 10 minutes in approx 60 degrees F water. I didn't have a suitable thermometer in the beginning so I'm sure of the exact temperature. I worked down to 50 F for 60 minutes over 5 - 6 months.( Pls feel free to message me if you want more specifics.)
I have to tell you my first attempts were stressful....not the bath so much as the struggle to warm up after. Actually the baths were bad and the warm-ups horrendous (I suffered mild hypothermia). I don't recommend doing this without someone to check on you. I don't recommend risking hypothermia at all. I would also recommend using heat to help re-warm (before you adapt to where you heat yourself in response to cold on the skin) if that makes you comfortable.
Just to differentiate between cold stress and cold adaptation.....your body should adapt after repeated cold exposure ("stress") on the skin. That's not to say everyone will of course! I personally experienced signs of adapting from 3 weeks after starting cold baths. My temperature began rising after I got in the cold water. (Later on, my temperature started rising in anticipation of a cold bath!)
After about 5 weeks my body temperature taken in the morning and early evening was normal (98 - 98.6) more often than not. Before, since early adolescence, my temperature was usually 95 - 96 degrees. I dreaded the onset of Winter and found it so hard to warm up.
I've been ice bathing for 2 1/2 years now. Though his year I stopped at the start of September - that's Spring here.
I'm solidly adapted to cold temperatures - or cool ones anyway. I haven't used any heating in the house (when I'm home alone) the past two years and I haven't worn a Winter coat in all that time either. (I do live in a relatively temperate climate I guess? No snow here but we do get frosts.) I'm comfortable sleeping outside, and inside I use little bedding.
Improvements, apart from sleep, were with normalising body temperature, my spleen stopped being so swollen, and my fitness level increased to where I stopped feeling breathless climbing hills or stairs. I've been well enough to get out of the house 20 - 25 hours a week. I'm able to accompany my kids and be involved in their activities, and I do volunteer work. I still have ME, but I'm much better than I was a few years ago...and I'm much happier in Winter.
I'm planning to resume cold baths in Autumn....once or twice a week seems enough these days because I get cold stimulus (stressful before adaptation, not so afterwards) just from wearing less, using no heat etc.
^^ Hope that explains well enough. Anne.
Well, to be fair, anticipating the bath involved getting a lot of ice out of the freezer - even the cold air from the freezer (or fridge) on my face causes me to warm up internally...same with a breeze from the south. I've never tried to warm up just by thinking....s'pose I could give it a shot.I doubt is was psychological, if only I could change my body temp by thinking it!
Not sure what my body type is. Average? (Is that a type?) I lost a couple of cm around the waist and gained muscle - probably just because of increase in exercise enabled by feeling better. There does seem to be a weight loss angle to much of what's written about cold therapy! I don't know anyone who lost weight personally.Personal question for those of you who have had success with cold therapies: What is your body type? It seems that the sites that recommend it are based in weight loss. I am currently at a healthy weight, but tend to run underweight when I can exercise and maintain healthy muscle mass. So I'm wondering if the cold therapy may be detrimental to someone with my body type, or still helpful in other ways.
Bains Derivatifs is what this thread started with, it is different than cold showers or baths, it is strictly applying a cold wet clot to specific areas while the rest of the body remains warm -- the first page of this thread explains the areas of the body involved
What about trying it out? Then you can report! It would be nice if you could read the explanations I gave in the beginning. Nowhere do I say that you have to sit in water.Possible easier method for Bains Derivatifs:
I thought of another possible way to do Bains Derivatifs, but have no idea whether this would work as well. Do you have any thoughts on this:
For those of us who cannot sit in a bathtub or over a toilet to do it, how about placing one or two thickly folded towels on a chair, setting a bowl of ice water nearby, and using a cloth dipped into the ice water (and lightly wrung out) to lightly rub on the body areas? The small amount of water in the wrung-out cloth that drips off of the body would be caught by the towels, to avoid getting the floor wet. If floor isn't a water resistant surface, perhaps even putting a sheet of plastic under the chair to catch errant drips.
I have a severe aversion to sitting in any water (even just a tiny bit) that isn't nice and toasty warm, and the method of sitting in the bathtub to do Bains D. would slowly trickle cold water down onto the surface I was sitting on - I just wouldn't do it. I just can't sit in those chilly bits of water (or even sit in tepid water that is slowly getting cooler)
The toilet method wouldn't work in my house either, too many people use it for, well, toilet purposes ... and really sitting on any kind of ceramic type seat for more than a minute or so would bother my "sitting on something cold" phobia.
But sitting on folded towels, ahhh...warm and soft, that sounds like something I could do.
Do you think it would be effective? I haven't tried it yet.
I did cold water therapy for around 9 months as it was suggested as an hpa regulator by the specialist.I havent really had success per se, but I have always been lean with a fair amount of muscle, 'cept of course being sick has sapped me of some muscle so I do get cold a bit easier. Hoping I can build up a tolerance somehow
I did the cold baths with the addition of ice--not pleasant for me. I did it for a while but didn't notice anything except being cold!