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...Does anybody know if LP claims to work for other illnesses besides ME/CFS?...
a fair amount on their processes).
A lingering question in my own mind is whether the supposedly many people who have been helped my LP will eventually get themselves tested for XMRV. If XMRV turns out to be a causative factor in ME, and LP works to the point of overcoming the effects of XMRV, then it seems like LP would work with people infected with HIV as well.
Does anybody know if LP claims to work for other illnesses besides ME/CFS? It has always seemed to me that if LP can truly affect a complex and debilitating illness like ME/CFS, then it should also work with less serious health issues like impaired vision, or impaired hearing, or acne, or psoriasis, Chron's disease, etc.
Perhaps I think a little too much. :Retro smile:
Best Regards, Wayne
67% of the cases of CFS clients that are seen with the LP have the XMRV virus,
And according to our findings 85% of these people recover their health in the 3 days of the LP programme
welcome to the shopping channel folks
jim : What we got today Daisy
daisy : Well, Jim we got 200 left foot sneakers for people who like to hop"
jim: Wow, Daisy tell us more
daisy: We got millions of magnesium filled MMR jabs
daisy: And my personal favourite is something called the LP course. This is for people with neuro immune disease who wanna get better in minutes. It’s the new improved LP course. Unlike the old one you don’t even have to take the 3 day course. All you gotta do Jim is send of the cheque and we will do the rest. But you gota be ready and be a believer. We will just kiss the cheque on arrival and hey presto the job is done .
Jim: Woo daisy sounds great, how does it work.
Daisy: Sorry folks Jim appears to have blown up.
Ok lets start the bidding at 600 we got millions of courses for everyone folks so no need to worry. We also have a kiddy course fully endorsed by Dr Shullbit and his newly motivated sidekick and LP shareholder. They liked it so much they bought into the company.
Producer : Keep it up daisy and don’t ever mention Jims name again. We are bringing in the replacement Magic Johnson NBA allstar to replace him any second now, so keep taliking.
Daisy: O wow folks heres Magic Johnson to tell you a little more about the LP
Producer in Magics ear: Just say anything Magic to shift these courses you are being paid well to do so.
Magic johnson: I tried the LP, I liked it so much the company paid me to say so. I mean I bought the company.
Producer: godammit, jump in Daisy!!!
Daisy: well...... we also got a number of special offer puppets on a string going dirt cheap. We will be back right after this break folks.
Bob;bt1939 said:...It's as if there had never been any discussions about The Lightning Process on the forum, as all of the issues and concerns raised on the discussion threads have been completely ignored...
I'm sorry Cort, but this is just provocative and insulting towards all of us...In my experience, the members of your forum are pleasant, considerate, caring, highly intelligent, free thinking, fair minded and supportive individuals, and quite the opposite of 'malignant'. I wouldn't categorise our discussions as malignant at all, but rather, as always, they are healthy discussions surrounding very important issues...In my opinion, we have had some extremely intelligent, fair minded, sensible discussions regarding the Lightning Process...
Cort, I have a great deal of respect for you, but I'm not sure why this letter has been published. For the first time on this forum, I feel offended. I agree that people should have the right of reply, but if I accused random members of the forum, for example, of being a malignant bunch of bloggers, without even engaging with the discussion threads, then I think I might have been challenged by your moderators.
I also wonder whether, before compiling his second commentary, Dr Frivold had taken the time to read all three active threads around LP on this forum or just the shortest thread in response to Cort's initial posting, that is, this one:
Article: Lightning Strikes a CFS Patient (currently 46 posts)
Absolutely, Bob, it is a very provocative piece; I also object very strongly to the inference that discussions have been "malignant". If Dr Frivold is referring to discussions that have taken place elsewhere then he should provide references so that we are able to evaluate his views on the level of discussion taking place elsewhere.
Concerns about exposing young children to a "training program" when no RCTs have been conducted and published on LP in adults are very legitimate concerns which is why specific ethical guidelines are developed for research in vulnerable groups like children and the elderly.
I also feel that the title of Cort's blog post needs reconsideration.
This is not a balanced report from a medical professional around the safety and efficacy of the application of an unregulated "training program" and a consideration of the ethical issues around the use of a vulnerable research group, when no rigorous adult controlled trials have been undertaken . It is a frequently provocative opinion piece written by a non ME and CFS specialist whose wife is now a licensed LP practitioner, herself.
The question is Cort - where are you going to draw the line?
Did you consider that you would overlook the provocative nature of some of Dr Frivold's opinions because he is an MD, himself? In your view, does Dr Frivold's status as a medical professional license him to publish contentious opinion and lob accusatory comment that you and your moderators might find unacceptable in forum members, themselves?
If you are approached by other licensed LP practitioners who wish to set out their own experience of LP what are your editorial policies going to be?
Will you be accepting any and all personal accounts from those who have undergone the "process" and have trained to become Phil Parker licensed LP practitioners, themselves, or only accounts by medical professionals who are now licensed to deliver LP "training" or from the spouses and family members of those who are now licensed to deliver LP "training", if they happen to be MDs or health professionals, themselves?
I suggest you need to think very carefully how you will handle approaches in the future.
Otherwise you run the risk of being perceived as someone prepared to use his platform to shill for unregulated, expensive, untested and very controversial "training" programs.
 A pilot study in adults undertaken in the UK by Prof Leslie Findlay in 2007 was not published.