ANABOLIC STEROIDS FOLKS?

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At literally 500x the normal human limit like most bodybuilders, sure, no holds barred in terms of side effects at that point haha. But yeah I guess. The last PubMed article that I read only went up to five times the normal human limit and I didn’t note any bubble gut side effects. That was years ago though and I’ve been too lazy to read much more about it since. :pem:
 

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Yeah, some BB inject really like mad.
Lenny mentioned it somewhere how much stuff he daily inject, drinks, eats and so on
I dont remember exactly how much HGH it was, but it was a lot and he must be busy all day long with injections and eating a ton. :woot:
 
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I know that testosterone has side effects that one wouldn't want. But instead of testosterone, why not just take HGH instead? From the studies I've read, even when participants were taking 5x the normal human amount, there weren't really any side effects aside fluid retention. HGH has pretty much the same benefits as testosterone too. Has anyone considered this or looked into this before?
TRT has very few side effects when done right. I think realistically cost also plays a large role. Testosterone has been around forever, is well tested and can easily be synthesized. The process for artificial HGH wasn't discovered until the mid 80's and is still very expensive. In the US you would be looking at 30$ a month for testosterone and 1000$ for HGH. Of course it depends on dosages, your insurance etc, but HGH is more difficult to get a prescription for and 20-40x the price.

I'm not saying you shouldn't try HGH of course. I think the chance of you getting a bubble gut is minimal at reasonable doses. If I had a subsidized source of pharmaceutical grade HGH I would happily give it a try.
 

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The bubble gut risc is neglectable at reasonable dosages, the thing is still that such dosages will mostly not make any life changing improvements for most CFS/Me sufferers and still for a very small CFS subset it may work (like studies show)
There may be better therapies for the bucks, out there.
 

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When I tried it in my 20s I got benefits on .2-.3 iu day
Recently at 39 I was taking 1iu with some benefit, the last week I took 2.5iu per day and was able to start excersis inf again. Then I ran out

It was a different brand 15-20 years ago also, so maybe that accounts for some difference in effective dose
 

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Not sure if he did a brief study on or just reported clinical observations.
As far as I remember Cheney used it low dose with just only 0.2 mg IM Q/week. HGH was still one small part in his whole CFS treatment regime. The whole treatment regime contained ~20 different drugs.
 
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I know that testosterone has side effects that one wouldn't want. But instead of testosterone, why not just take HGH instead? From the studies I've read, even when participants were taking 5x the normal human amount, there weren't really any side effects aside fluid retention. HGH has pretty much the same benefits as testosterone too. Has anyone considered this or looked into this before?
Testosterone is alot cheaper and is safe if used correctly and one is monitored. Hgh is expensive and its main side effect is diabetes. If you ask a bodybuilder or power lifter if you coukd only pick one out of testosterone and hgh for strength and recovery etc 99% would say testosterone.
 
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Testosterone is alot cheaper and is safe if used correctly and one is monitored. Hgh is expensive and its main side effect is diabetes. If you ask a bodybuilder or power lifter if you coukd only pick one out of testosterone and hgh for strength and recovery etc 99% would say testosterone.
Bodybuilders would say test. But I think a greater number of powerlifters would say HGH
 

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HGH is effective for powerlifting if stacking it with Testosterone (or derivates) and/or insulin - however, HGH is expensive and most wouldn't consider such a cylce any cost-effective. They usually stack Testosterone with tren/dbol/halo/oxy and so on. Tren is good for strenght gains, it also burns fat - if a powerlifter wants to gain fast much weight (+strenght), they will use Test/Oxy stacks or whatever so, they are a lot off combinations depending on the(ir) goals.
At high competition levels HGH will be used (together with steroids),
nevertheless, I agree to @heapsreal If you ask a bodybuilder or powerlifter 99% would pick steroids.
 
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