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Why do I get blurred vision from Milk Thistle?

Discussion in 'General Treatment' started by jason30, Feb 18, 2018.

  1. jason30

    jason30 Senior Member

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    Hi,

    I wonder if someone have an idea why Milk Thistle cause blurred vision on the next day I took it?
    I do have some liver problems such as fatty liver and I have toxic buildup.
    In other cases, when my liver have a hard time, I never get blurred vision.
    I do know that milk thistle is high in histamine and sulfur. From histamine I do know that I don't get blurred vision when it's high. I don't know about sulfur.
    Recently a blood test showed high potassium (I don't take potassium supplements) and high iron saturation (51%).
    Some minerals are low.

    Does anyone have an idea?

    Thanks.
     
  2. Gondwanaland

    Gondwanaland Senior Member

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    That's probably it. Perhaps some magnesium would help it.
    I get bad reactions if I ingest MT powder, so when I take it, I put half of the contents of a capsule inside a tea bag, brew it for 5 minutes and then drink it.
    In my personal experience when serum electrolytes are high it means deficiency, but that might be just me.
     
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    That's interesting, does that holds the bad reactions away for you?

    It is? Is there an other test to determine the potassium level or is it just looking at symptoms?

    Thanks a lot!
     
  4. Gondwanaland

    Gondwanaland Senior Member

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    No bad reactions at all if I am tolerating MT (I am currently not tolerating it) :cautious:
    This is in my personal experience, I don't know if it holds for everyone. I have no idea about how to determine the potassium level...
     
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    When I first took milk thistle it was not only quit of a good effect (which got reduced over about seven times),
    but I got also some joint pain.
    This very joint pain I got also from an experiement with a neuroleptic/antipsychotic - I knew already it should not be of much help as Tyrosine regularly helps me. But the situation does not appear in clarity: In order of to much nitric oxide Dopamine should be reuptake-inhibited, so what´s to think about? -
    Anyway, my guess would be, milk thistle likes to work in the striatum best to inhibit nitric oxide synthase, and might cause something.
     
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    TCM links the eyes to the Liver so maybe MT is affecting a portion of your Liver detox and maybe another aspect of your Liver detox is not coping with the increase. Fatty liver might also be affecting this. Have you tried phosphatidyl-choline which is in lecithin to help with your fatty liver?
     
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    Okay I will keep an eye on potassium, because I always thought I was deficient in it.
     
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    Interesting to know that MT inhibit nitric oxide synthase, thanks!
     
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    Indeed, that matches with my symptoms. I am really curious which aspect or which liver pathway it is affecting.
    Is there a way to figure this out?

    Currently I only use Choline Birtrate to raise choline levels. I have tried PC (soy free) before but it gave tightened leg muscles which interupts my sleep. Not only PC gives tightened leg muscles but also other things. I still didn't figured it out what that could be.

    Thanks!
     
  10. Sundancer

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    milkthistle should give liverphase 2 a push-up, but also dampens one of the phase 2 processes
    http://www.ei-resource.org/easyblog...nce-phase-1-and-phase-2-liver-detoxification/

    also it contains quite a lot of salicytate, when your body does not like salicytate, it leads to trouble.
     
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    jason30 Senior Member

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    Thanks a lot, that's very interesting.
    Calcium Glucarate seems to stimulate the glucuronidation pathway.
    I am gonna test if I have less reaction to Milk Thistle if I take Calcium Gluarate before it.

    Salicytates are on my radar. I am gonna test some foods which are high in salicytates, to see if they give me the same blurred vision symptom as Milk Thistle does.

    Thanks again!
     
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