http://www.twiv.tv/2015/03/22/twiv-329/ They mention: -need to compare CFS patients to ill-health controls rather than healthy controls, in case this is a marker for generalised ill health/strain/similar. -likelihood of subgroups and need to try to identify them. -wonder how people's cytokine patterns vary over time? Go on to mention the poor Lancet editorial on IOM/SEID and talks about PACE and Cochrane claiming unblinded trials show that patients should try exercising (no real engagement with this - think that they may have assumed that this was trustworthy). Sounded like Vincent's son could have something CFS-like - hope not/get well soon!