Does anyone here have any stories of health problems suddenly arising in family and friends that you suspect are due to the virus that precipitated your CFS (assuming you had a definite viral onset to your CFS)? The virus that precipitated my CFS circulated among friends and family, and caused a lot of characteristic symptoms in the various people it infected. These symptoms were so characteristic that it was obvious these people had caught the same virus. These characteristic symptoms included: Chronic sore throat Constant congested nose/post nasal drip Depression Anxiety Loss of desires and sense of pleasure Memory problems Sleepiness and a tendency to fall asleep more Higher levels of fatigue, and loss of energy Stomach aches and pains Rumbling stomach and bowels Sudden onset of chronic flatulence Pins and needles (paresthesia) Sudden onset of tooth decay (dental caries) Sudden onset of receding gums (periodontitis) Slight wrinkling of the skin with unusual, fine-textured wrinkles a very characteristic symptom Subtle loss of hearing acuity Progressive hearing loss in the elderly Sudden heart attacks (linked with pericarditis and/or myocarditis) Viral meningitis These symptoms appeared in many friends and family (30 or more people) that caught the same virus as me. None of these people developed full CFS as I did, but these friends and family nevertheless manifested many of the above symptoms on a permanent basis. For more precise details of these symptoms, see here. Thus to an extent, the virus that gave me CFS has also permanently affected the health and lives of many friends and family members. So I just wonder how many people here have also noticed something like this. Have you been able to observe the health impacts on your friends and family, resulting from the same virus that triggered your CFS? I know this is a somewhat taboo subject, in that some people with CFS may feel responsible for spreading their virus. But I don't think we should feel responsible or singled out in this way at all. The way I look at it is that any social group can be hit by a virus. A virus doesn't "start" with the CFS patient; the virus just sweeps through a social group, and everyone it hits gets affected in a different way. Some people have only minor symptoms when the virus hits them; some like myself get CFS from the virus, and some have even worse consequences: for example, there was a sudden death from an unexpected heart attack in my social group, that I am almost certain was caused by the same virus that caused my CFS (this virus caused 3 sudden heart attacks and heart inflammation in 3 very healthy people, but only one was fatal). I think it is important that we should be discussing the wider impacts of the the viruses that are linked to CFS. With there still being many technical difficulties in testing for CFS-associated viruses like enteroviruses, HHV-6A, and so forth, this simple observational analysis of the effects of a virus with a social group should provide important scientific data. Indeed, the late Dr John Richardson, a family doctor practicing in rural Yorkshire, UK, and an early pioneer in studying CFS, spent 50 years observing the effects of enteroviruses not only in his CFS patients, but also the effect these enteroviruses had on the health of the whole family (since enteroviruses generally spread to other family members). This type of basic, community-oriented medical observation seems out of fashion these days, but it should be an important cornerstone in the effort to survey and pinpoint the infectious causes of CFS and other diseases.