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  1. JenniferLO

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    Hi everyone

    I am planning to remove 2 amalgam fillings & a crown with a specialist dentist. My question is do I need to take supporting supplements before I have it done? does anyone have a link to a good source of before and after care? (I have MTHFR, and am in the process of testing my genes and toxicity levels)

    Thanks :thumbsup: xx

    Just tagging @caledonia as you seem to know your stuff :)
     
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  2. keenly

    keenly Senior Member

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    See Andy Cutlers work. Please be careful.
     
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    I talked to my dentist and he said I could get my amalgams removed but during the process, it would expose me to far more mercury then if I left them in. I guess it depends on the situation though as well. My molars were in good shape so they needed to drill out the amalgam.
     
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  4. Wishful

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    A couple of months ago, someone else reported removing their amalgam fillings 'to improve their health', and greatly regretted it and wondered if they should have them put back in. The physical and mental strain can be very bad for ME/CFS. I personally don't have a concern about amalgam fillings, and wouldn't recommend removing them out of fear unless blood tests show that you actually have excessive amounts of mercury (possibly meaning a problem with how the body gets rid of heavy metals).
     
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    I had all my amalgams removed due to acid erosion and comprehensive restorations about 15 years ago. I need some replacing (not for aesthetic reasons) but due to anaphylaxis recently to antibiotics I’m nervous about it. What would you do ?
     
  6. Wayne

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    Hi @JenniferLO,

    First congratulations on making this important decision. If your dentist is good at this, then I think your decision is a wise one.

    I've had all the amalgams and metal crowns removed from my mouth, and did a lot of research on it before doing so. This was several years ago, and the protocols have likely been improved since then. I do recall however, that IV Vit. C was administered by some dentists during the procedure.

    Absent IV Vit. C, I think plenty of vitamin C before and after the procedures would be a wise precaution. If I was going to do this again, I would opt for the liposomal Vit. C, which is MUCH better absorbed into the cells than regular Vit. C. I think it's like 90%+, compared to 20% or so for regular C.

    I might just mention that when I had my amalgams removed, there was decay underneath all of them. If that decay had not been cleaned out at the same time, a number of those teeth could have eventually necessitated some very expensive crown and/or root canal and/or bridge procedures.

    Good luck with your amalgam removal!

    Best, Wayne

    P.S. I did a FAIRY COMPREHENSIVE POST on my amalgam/crown removal a few years ago, in case you'd want to check it out. ​
     
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  7. JenniferLO

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    Thank you so so much everyone for replying :hug:

    Looks like I need to seriously consider this one!

    Thank you so much @Wayne I'm off to have a read of your post

    Thanks :thumbsup::redface:
     
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  8. CFS_for_19_years

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    By "specialist dentist" I hope you mean Biological Dentist, one who has a Mercury Safe practice. That includes protecting staff and patient from mercury particles and fumes throughout the amalgam removal process.
    https://iaomt.org/intro-articles-biological-dentistry/

    Search for biological dentist:
    https://iaomt.org/for-patients/search/

    I had about 12 amalgams removed 15 years ago using a biological dentist. I received instructions on what supplements to take before and after removal from an Integrative doctor. I would recommend that you work with a naturopath or Functional Medicine/Integrative doctor. Most biological dentists can refer you to doctors knowledgeable in amalgam removal.
     
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  9. Wayne

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    I've heard it's also very important to make sure you're in a mercury safe building. Sometimes several dentists are in the same building, and if one of them is still using mercury amalgam fillings, then the whole building can become contaminated. Depending on the situation, it can be a big factor.​
     
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  10. AndyPandy

    AndyPandy Making the most of it

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    @JenniferLO

    I am very sensitive to chemicals and had about 13 amalgam fillings some of which were very large.

    I decided to deal with it by replacing them when the fillings failed rather than embark on a program of getting them all out close together.

    I’ve coped with this pretty well so far over the past few years. About one removal a year. Replaced with crowns or non amalgam fillings. I’ve also had root canal work.

    I’m very reactive to anaesthetics with adrenaline in them so I always have the other kind. Even though they are supposed to be weaker they still last for 5 hours on me.

    My dentist uses a dental dam on me but no other special precautions.

    I usually increase my intake of vitamin c before and after the procedures.

    I have the worst kind of MTHFR mutation.

    Best wishes Andy.
     
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  11. JenniferLO

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    Thank you sooooo soooo much everyone :hug::hug::hug: Yes I will only use a dentist from iaomt :thumbsup:

    I am putting together a list of questions for the dentists, (from iaomt website) so far I have:

    1. Is the building a mercury safe building?
    2. Do you use a disposable Rubber dam?
    3. Do you use a high-powered vacuum with continuous cold water and suction?
    4. Do you use medical grade Air provided through nose tubes? With/without oxygen?
    5. Do you use a Face cloth over eyes
    6. Do you have air filters to remove mercury vapour and ionises to remove mercury and surrounding office area?
    7. Will the Amalgam be cut into four pieces? (not drilled out)
    8. Do you use IV contrast sedation if needed. do I need it? What type have you got? Carbocaine? Seraflurane? Versed? Fentanyl? Are better for someone with MTHFR.
    9. Will I have Vitamin C IV drip? (with nothing else added) (Intravenous conscious sedation along with IV vitamin C and nothing else - that it is the best practice and the least traumatic way of having dentistry)
    10. Does the Vitamin C contain any other ingredients? Sodium ascorbate?
    11. What dose of Vitamin C? (20-50g of C range?)
    12. Will the IV-C be started just prior to dentistry and maintained during dentistry? (for the best effect on healing.)
    13. Do you Follow biocompatibility charts?
    14. Will you Measure amperage and polararity of amalgams and remove an order of the least path of resistance per quadrant, (highest negative, lowest negative, highest positive, lowest positive)?
    15. Do you remove & dispose gloves and dam immediately after work is completed?
    16. Will you dispose of filling particles Immediately?
    17. Do you offer Acupressure to rebalance energetics and lymphatic massage after treatment?
    18. Will you agree to No use of DMSO, cilantro or chlorella?
    19. Will you need to do an x-ray after to check hidden pieces?
    20. Have you got a diamondLite?
    21. Do you know about the 7-14-2 day rule?
    22. Have you got and will you use a Rita meter?
    23. Will all of the work be done in one day?
    24. Will it be done within 30 days


    Any questions I've missed? Does anyone know about crossing the midline?

    Thanks

    Jen xx
     
  12. caledonia

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    Sorry, I didn't see your tag for some reason. I suggest following Andy Cutler's suggestions for amalgam removal. I have a link to Cutler's info in my signature link.

    I believe you can start on the Core Four supplements now. Those are vitamin C, vitamin E, zinc and magnesium.

    They also have suggestions for the days you get fillings removed, I believe which involves extra vitamin C. But do check in the one of the Cutler forums as I'm a little fuzzy on that.

    Do get bitewings taken of the areas where the fillings were removed to check for specks. Especially the crown tooth, before you get a new crown put back on, and it's too late.

    Do not take chlorella or cilantro even if the dentist recommends it, or you might be very sorry.
     
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  13. caledonia

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    My suggestion would be to talk the dentist or oral surgeon and tell them about your bad reaction before. They should be able to look at your records and see what antibiotics you took, then come up with some kind of solution.

    ps. If they end up lifting a crown, it would be a good idea to get a bitewing to check for any mercury specks left after the amalgam removal. Then if those are present, get them removed before putting a crown back on.
     
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  14. caledonia

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    Unfortunately, if you have amalgams and are sick enough to be on this forum, you probably do have mercury toxicity.

    If you still have amalgams, the mercury would likely show up on a blood test since you're having a current exposure. Or at least mine showed up on my NutrEval test.

    If your amalgams have been removed, a hair test to check for deranged mineral status is a better test.

    Or you can go by symptoms. The list of symptoms of mercury toxicity are extremely similar to the symptoms of ME.
     
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    Just wanted to make sure you are not having this done by the same dentist I did. He is in Wisconsin and promoted himself as being very careful about everything but he wasn't AND he was on that iaomt list. I later found out that he did a lot of things wrong regarding the mercury.

    Also I'm not sure what you are speaking of when asking about midline but he took my midline out of alignment and messed up my occlusion in a very bad way then dropped me when I let him know (in a nice way) about all the changes going on after his work. PM me if you are in WI and want to know his name.
     
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    I had a similar experience. My body took a huge blow from my visit with him, and it took me months to recover. In a way, I was fortunate to have recovered. I've heard stories of people who don't recover from mercury exposure during amalgam removal.

    @JenniferLO, if I was to make one suggestion to the list of questions you've compiled (excellent list by the way!), I would ask if you could talk to some of his patients who've had it done. That in itself could provide the best insights into whether this particular dentist is the right one to work with.

    Perhaps another question would be to inquire about the speed of the drill he would be using. From what I understand, high speed drills are much more damaging to teeth in general, and for those who are susceptible, can cause tinnitus.

    It seems like a high speed drill would also "spatter" amalgam residue much faster and wider than a slow speed drill. Dentists generally don't like to use slower speed drills, because--well--it takes more time. :rolleyes:
     
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  17. Wishful

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    I have amalgam fillings, and am sick enough to be on this forum...and a blood test showed normal levels of mercury. I've also dealt with mercury spills (I've got a small bottle with the collected mercury in it) and didn't notice any worsening after that large-compared-to-amalgams exposure. By the claims of sickness from the tiny exposure from fillings, I should be bedridden or dead from my multiple exposures to raw mercury. I simply believe that for most people, the health hazard of mercury is very much overrated (there's money in health scares). We evolved with a mechanism for excreting heavy metals, so minor exposure is taken care of.

    This is one case where if you believe heavy metals (or light ones, such as aluminum) might be causing health issues for you, you should get tested scientifically (toxicologist) rather than alternative medicine (beliefs without hard evidence). Then again, people are legally allowed to waste their money any way they want to.
     
  18. Wayne

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    I've done a LOT of research on this, including reading several books. As usual it depends on the individual. I read one story of a man who was a super triathlete, who just happened to have a problem with dental decay. Year after year he would get new amalgam fillings, until he had about 15-20 or so.

    One day, he got two more, and he became very sick. He had to quit training, and I think got to the point of hardly being able to function. In the following weeks, he noted that this change in health occurred shortly after his last dental visit.

    So he decided to have those two amalgams removed. Lo and behold, his health returned. He realized they were toxic to him, and he eventually had all the others replaced. His extraordinary physical health had allowed him to live with so many in his mouth for years. HOWEVER, he eventually reached his "tipping point". -- I believe everybody has their own tipping point. For people with CFS and/or compromised detoxification ability, that tipping point could be very, very much less than the average person.
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    I once read a book, written by a dentist who always considered himself to be in supurb health. He had always used amalgams in his practice, had several in his mouth, and scoffed at those who suggested there was any problem with it. But, he decided to do an experiment, and have his removed and replaced.

    Within days, every single thing he did to keep himself in such great shape became FAR easier for him to do. He was all of a sudden able to bench press way more than he had been able to do. He could run farther, in less time, with much greater comfort. The list was endless, and for him, irrefutable evidence that amalgams and mercury outgassing can significantly impact the physical body. He became passionate about these new insights. Besides writing a book, he completely changed his dental practice.

    One more story I like to share (below), which vividly demonstrates how amalgam removal can change a person's life. I myself don't believe I'd be alive today had I not removed all the amalgams and metal crowns from my mouth.

    My Mercury Story

    In the mid 90s, despite being athletic and energetic, I began experiencing various health ailments. These ailments worsened and grew in number year-by-year. By 2000, I had acquired 17 specific physical ailments ranging from fatigue to immune weakness to constant ringing in my ears. I could only work about 4 hours per day and had to take daily naps. I knew that something was seriously wrong.


    I finally stumbled upon the cause of my problems while speaking to a friend about her health issues. She told me she had Chronic Fatigue and had healed herself after 5 years of visiting doctors and getting nowhere. She told me that she had her amalgam ("silver") dental fillings removed one-by-one, as she could afford it, and it had changed her from a bed-ridden state to a normal, working person. She told me something no dentist ever had:

    Amalgam dental fillings contain mercury, the world's most toxic, non-radioactive metal.

    I started conducting research on the Internet and found that I was not alone. Many other people were suffering just as I was and they had determined the problem was their dental fillings as well.

    After spending numerous hours researching this issue, I had my amalgam fillings removed in couple weeks and my life changed forever, and it happened virtually overnight. A few years later, I realized that not only had my physical symptoms gone away, but a number of phobias vanished as well. My relationships improved, I became more social, my memory improved dramatically, and I realized how life is supposed to be lived.

    Now, looking back, I realize that I lived most of my life with a number of negative personality traits and emotional ailments that were actually caused by mercury. My bad memory, extreme shyness, very low self esteem, fear of commitments (especially in relationships), history of suicidal thoughts and fear of confrontations is now gone, not to mention horrible depression, and all of these changes have dramatically improved the quality of my life.
     
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    I don't have the wherewithal to sit here and convince you otherwise, but there is a forum member here who wrote a book regarding his experience with mercury toxicity and recovering from it. Plus general information about mercury toxicity. It's a good read, and easier to get into than Cutler's book.

    https://www.amazon.com/Mercury-Poisoning-Undiagnosed-David-Hammond/dp/1494747898
     
  20. JenniferLO

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    Thank you so much @caledonia I will be sure to follow Cutlers protocol to a ’T’ :thumbsup::hug::angel:

    @Judee thank you so much for the warning, I am in the UK, sorry to hear you had a bad experience, I am definitely doing my homework on this! So thank you :hug:

    @Wayne Thank you so much for saying my list is excellent! Yay! Ooo great suggestions I have added that to my list, thank you. And thank you so much for sharing those positive stories :hug:

    Thanks @Wishful I am having toxic tests at an independent lab :) I believe it has done damage to me as I have MTHFR compound heterozygous (677 +/- 1298 +/-) which means my methylation system doesn’t function properly and can’t get rid of toxin like other people, which means the mercury and metals have messed up my immune system and made me ill. :)

    Thanks everyone :hug:
     
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