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Study calls for ALL organophosphate pesticides to be banned (OPs are linked to ME/CFS and GWI)

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  1. Hip

    Hip Senior Member

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    A new 2018 systematic review paper in PLOS Medicine has called for the banning of ALL organophosphate pesticides.

    Organophosphates have been linked to ME/CFS, Gulf War illness, Parkinson's, autoimmune conditions such as lupus and rheumatoid arthritis, and neurodevelopmental disorders like ADHD and autism in children.

    Organophosphate agricultural pesticides include chlorpyrifos, parathion, malathion, diazinon, dichlorvos, terbufos and others.

    This new paper says that:
    • Widespread use of organophosphate (OP) pesticides to control insects has resulted in ubiquitous human exposures.
    • Compelling evidence indicates that prenatal exposure at low levels is putting children at risk for cognitive and behavioral deficits and for neurodevelopmental disorders.
    • High exposures to OP pesticides are responsible for poisonings and deaths, particularly in developing countries.

    This new paper is detailed in some newspaper articles:

    Bombshell New Study Calls For Ban On Pesticide Family Tied To Brain Damage In Kids in the Huffington Post says:

    Ban entire pesticide class to protect children's health, experts say in the Guardian says:


    Human Exposure to Organophosphates

    Pesticides can enter the body through the mouth, skin, eyes or lungs. Sources of pesticide exposure include garden pesticide sprays used by you or your neighbor, which can be tracked into the house on shoes. Agricultural exposure may occur in rural areas through crop spraying. Pesticide exposure can also occur through treating wood with preservatives, and treating livestock with anti-parastitic preparations, such as sheep dip.

    Organophosphate pesticides are detoxified from the body by an enzyme called paraoxonase; individual differences in the paraoxonase gene can increase a person's susceptibility to organophosphates. Ref: 1 2 So people with certain alleles (mutations) in their paraoxonase gene can be much more susceptible to organophosphate pesticide damage.



    Organophosphate Link to ME/CFS

    Exposure to significant amounts of organophosphate pesticides has been linked to triggering ME/CFS. Ref: 1

    In one study, sheep farmers using organophosphate-based "sheep dip" in Scotland were found to have rates of ME/CFS four times higher than the national average, implicating organophosphates as a causal factor in ME/CFS. Refs: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7

    ME/CFS researcher Professor Peter Behan has long studied the organophosphate link to ME/CFS, and talks about it in this 1997 newspaper article.


    Another class of pesticides called organochlorines, which include DDT and dieldrin, have also been linked to ME/CFS. Ref: 1 2 3 However most organochlorines have been banned for several decades now, with some exceptions such as dicofol which is banned in Europe but still used on cotton and fruit crops in the US, and DDT which is still used for malaria control in Africa and parts of Asia.



    Organophosphate Link to Autoimmune Disease

    A 2011 study of nearly 77,000 women found that those who personally mixed or applied insecticides for 20 years had double the rate of the autoimmune conditions rheumatoid arthritis and systemic lupus erythematosus.



    Organophosphate Link to Aerotoxic Syndrome on Aircraft

    Organophosphates are added to aircraft engine oils, and fumes containing organophosphates can enter cabin air, making cabin crew sick with neurological symptoms.

    This article in the Guardian covers aerotoxic syndrome: 'There are hundreds of sick crew': is toxic air on planes making frequent flyers ill?


    Paper authors: Irva Hertz-Picciotto, Jennifer B. Sass, Stephanie Engel, Deborah H. Bennett, Asa Bradman, Brenda Eskenazi, Bruce Lanphear, Robin Whyatt.
     
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  2. SilverbladeTE

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    exactly what I've been saying for many years

    obscenely corrupt system covering up risks AS PER USUAL
    risk of synergistic effects combined with other environmental poisons (like heavy metals)
    etc etc


    Spraying *NERVE GAS* on your food is stupid when it has such incredible toxicity and persistance.
     
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  3. Wonkmonk

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    I am thinking about this for quite a long time.

    My prediction: In a few years, we will talk of organophosphate pesticides (and possibly others) like we do of chlorofluorocarbons today.

    I live in a very small rural village. 20 years ago, our garden used to hum and buzz all summer long. We had so many flies, bees and beetles everywhere that we had to keep all doors and windows shut all the time. If they were left open just a few minutes, we had dozens of insects in our kitchen.

    Today, our garden is dead silent and we hardly need to close our screen door to keep insects out. It's ridiculous.

    When we drove with our car on rural roads at night, the entire windshield and radiator grill was full of all types of insects. Today, it stays almost entirely clean all summer long.

    It's plain obvious that insects have been dying in massive numbers. I totally believe the reports that say that up to 85% of insects have disappeared. I'd say it is even more than that.

    Same with slugs. 20 years ago, after a rainy day, the paths that go through our garden was full of slugs. Hundreds of them. It was even quite hard to make just a few steps without crushing one of them. Today - nothing. I can't even remember when I last saw a slug in our garden.

    This is frightening, and most experts blame pesticides for it.

    How can we believe that something that kills 85% of insects and more doesn't massively harm us?
     
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  4. xcell

    xcell Always looking for new knowledge and options!

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    Because most people don't read anything about it. Especially those who are using it.
    They tell very bad things about biological farmers (bio, demeter) and even if they get ill from using those shit they will not believe it.
    Only very rich ones know it who have sometimes many (!) bio farms over the whole world.
    All others don't want to accept it and/or think biological farming is to expensive (which is simply wrong!).
     
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  5. Wonkmonk

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    Oh, and let me add one thing: I lived in a large city from 2013 to 2016 and, guess what, when I opened the window at night for a while, there was real moth invasion. There now seem to be a lot more insects in the big cities than in rural areas. No pesticides there.
     
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    There is a big problem here as synergistic effects are very rarely investigated as there are too many potential synergistic effects.
     
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  7. Hip

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    A documentary called Circle of Poison examines the way the pesticide industry in the US continue to manufacture pesticides that have long been banned in the US, for export to less-developed nations like Mexico and India, where they cause lots of neurological damage.

    The documentary mentions some research performed in Mexico, in a farming valley where these toxic pesticides were being used agriculturally. The researchers asked some young children in that valley to draw a person using pencil and paper, but they were unable to do this (their drawings looked unintelligible, nothing like the subjects they were asked to draw).

    Whereas children of similar age in an adjacent foothills region which did not use pesticides were quite capable of making the normal intelligible drawings that you would expect a young child to make.

    Here is a representative example of the children's drawings:

    Drawings by children in the foothills not exposed to pesticides (left)
    and children in the valley exposed to pesticides (right)

    DrawingsOf4YearOlds.jpg

    Source study: An Anthropological Approach to the Evaluation of Preschool Children Exposed to Pesticides in Mexico


    I saw this Circle of Poison documentary on the Al-Jazeera channel a year or so ago, but it is available online to rent for around $4 or £2.50.
     
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  8. Wonkmonk

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    They may still be used illegally on a significant scale in the US (and probably elsewhere):

    "In spite of regulatory phasing out of organophosphates in the U.S., we still see elevated levels and higher detection rates of several organophosphates in agricultural households than non-agricultural households, albeit lower levels than prior studies."

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5223784/
     
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  9. Abha

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    Hip,
    This Documentary was shown again recently on AlJazeera.It has been shown numerous times and one may find it in their archives(?).
    The Countess of Marr also featured recently in a documentary (rt.com/Russia today?) re chemicals(organophosphates/sheep dip in her case).She is now on 16 hrs of Oxygen/day.I think Glyphosate(re Autism etc) may have been covered in the same programme.I have it recorded somewhere so I'd need to check that.
     
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    Could a parents exposure to to organophosphate cause ME/CFS in their kids?
    One of my parents has aerotoxic syndrome :/
     
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  12. Hip

    Hip Senior Member

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    I have not come across any studies on transgenerational effects of organophosphates.
     
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    snip"Organophosphates are added to aircraft engine oils" Why would anyone do this????

    I thought the condition was caused by the victims inhaling (plain old atomized oil) which I would think would easily be enough to screw someone up pretty badly.

    I have always maintained it was occupational exposure to granular organophosphates and selective herbicides like atrazine, and fungicides, that were not watered in. I was exposed on a wholesale level when I came in afterwards with commercial lawn equipment. (tons of pesticide laced granular fertilizers)

    That and a ton of other things, too many to count over the years. Paint, solvent's, I assembled boats in my 20's so I inhaled lot's of styrene and fiberglass dust. Back than we didn't use gloves, we just washed our hands off with acetone after laminating. Most people didn't wear respirators when spraying resin, or dust masks when somebody was grinding.


    I always tried to take what I thought at the time were reasonable precautions. Looking back I was asking for trouble.

    I get angry when I see someone win a multimillion dollar law suit cause they were exposed to a little bit of roundup. Jeeezz! I wish that was all I was exposed to. Being in the lawn business I used plenty of that also. Used to buy 2 1/2 gallons of the 40% at least once a year.

    I had one customer that wouldn't let me use roundup. She was very adamant about it. Looking back I bet she had CFS.

    I think what irks me about this is that without spending millions on studies we just have no way of knowing. No matter who you are there are too many confounding factors.

    And the problem is we have 8 billion people to feed. We can't do it without using these chemicals. Whatever they get replaced with isn't likely to be any safer.

    These studies always allude to a solid connection but (I presume) never have solid evidence, for instance like they do with asbestos, or thalidomide.

    For all I know I contracted some type of yet to be recognized virus like aid's and all my exposures had nothing to do with it.

    It's all very annoying!
     
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    When I was young I remember using a backpack sprayer of ‘hormone weed killer’ on blackberries for weeks. In shorts and shirt, with the spray liquid running down my back. We farm workers did not know what we were doing.

    Wondering now: This sort of behaviour may have predisposed me to mecfs?
     
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  15. SilverbladeTE

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    OP chemicals are used in the oil in the jet engine compressors
    not my field so I don't know why precisely (anti-freeze? friction reduction?), but it is a *fact* that they are, please check and verify for yourself
    "trust, but verify"


    and no we do not need these chemicals to feed our population, that's the mentality those kind of people ALWAYS use
    "think of the children!" or whatever slogan to push through some arrogant or corrupt demands
    there are many things we could do to improve food output without such toxins, selling poisons is CHEAP and easy

    simple one would be to create "vertical farms" in cities, greatly increasing efficiency of "food to target" and avoiding wasting fuel for long deliveries
    and helping with inevitable famines that will occur, cities are for long term Human survival, massive death traps, alas, without inbuilt food and energy production capacity,
    food production control is a method for the Powerful especially corporates currently (as Stalin and First Sovereign Emperor Quin Shi Huagn Di, or the European Medieval nobility, did in the past) to have a stranglehold on society to abuse and control, and nowadays also, energy production
    see recent corrupt politicians in corporate pockets across West attacking local energy production and distribution for example of evidence for my views


    oh heck yeah, we were bathe din enormous amounts of toxic crap :(
    enormous in regard to the toxicity or sheer common damn sense if anyone honest had been allowed to investigate and set standards for safety :(
    pal of mine has severe bone degeneration illness, he worked in incredibly polluted parts of the huge steel factory that was here, and then chicken farm where they used formaldehyde sprays (which was banned years before by European law but of course, corrupt Britain did not ban at the time)

    hence my region has a life expectancy LESS than that of North Korea
     
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  16. Hip

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    I think you would have to figure out the chemical used in that weed killer, and then look up what sort of ill health effects it might have.
     
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    Back in the day the idiot's who manufactured those things (backpack sprayers) put a breather hole in the top and the threads on the caps probably were not water tight. I used to drape a towel over my back before putting mine on.

    I used to always be leery of rubber gloves cause my hands would sweat and if there were even a small hole in either one I would be holding whatever chemical I was trying to avoid up against my hands and not even know it.

    Respirators under optimal conditions might give you some cursory protection, but if you haven't used them in a while the charcoal goes stale and doesn't work anymore.

    Or one of the delicate little diaphragms fails and you may as well not be wearing it. But you don't know that!!!!!!

    Or if you used one too much how do you know when it's not effective anymore? You can still draw air through them.

    Respirators are completely INEFFECTIVE for some materials, like paints with isocyanates. They leave an awesome finish, but you should never spray these types of paints without drawing in air from an outside source.

    Has anyone here ever used "great stuff" to fill holes or insulate? It has isocyanates!!!! And not much of an odor to alert you to the danger. Be careful not to inhale the fumes!
     
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    From what I understand, dioxin is an unintended consequence of some chemical processes. Was why agent orange was so toxic. I could be totally wrong about this. I'm going from memory of what I read.

    I can't help wondering if some same such process is what makes the oil they use to lubricate turbines in jet engines so toxic. I can't imagine any useful purpose for an OP in this application?? But yes the reading I have done indicates they are present.

    Although sometimes people like to sensationalize such things like this. Like they will say mold makes certain chemicals that are highly toxic (in addition to mycotoxins), but they negate to mention doses are so small they are inconsequential. (similar to mycotoxins)

    People that do this actually damage the credibility of victims. It is important to be fair and honest in your criticism of these companies. Otherwise you will garner more contempt than sympathy.

    My feeling is that generally the people denying the connection between illness and the leakage of bearings in turbines on jet's for example, are the of the same feather as the people denying the connection between mold and illness, or breast implants, or pesticides, or pollutant's. They don't care weather it does or not they just want to discredit the victims. THAT'S THEIR JOB. And they wouldn't have that job if they didn't go about it in this manor.

    And that is why you won't find out (if at all) until years later, yes these people were really victims and they were really injured. Agent orange is a perfect example of this.

    My guess the reason why people like Simon Wessly and Peter White, and the rest of the "pace brigade" are defended so vociferously by high ranking members of people in positions of power is because they perform a vital service for the wheels of this machine.

    A machine that protects industry from liability.

    At least long enough for all the victims to dry up and blow away.

    And they wouldn't be in power if they didn't do this.

    And most decent honest people are blind to this. And the rest look the other way.

    I have been accused of being a conspiracy monger, Silverblade, but I pretty much feel the same way as you.
     
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    “"Organophosphates are added to aircraft engine oils" Why would anyone do this???”

    The reason is not to make the engine oil into a pesticide, the reason is to make an engine oil that lubricates the machinery under all the conditions it is exposed to. In other words it’s a very high performance oil, which is a big part of the reason why airplanes don’t fall out of the sky. Jet turbines are now so reliable that we allow planes with only two engines to fly clear across the world. Compare to piston engine intercontinentals flying with four yet more dangerous.

    But yeah there should either be a cabin air circuit that can’t be contaminated by engine oil, or at least a filter and an indicator to detect and catch it if it must be designed that way. The earliest jets and now the 787 use a separate compressor for the cabin air.
     
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    Monsanto's Roundup is going to be in anything we eat that isn't pure organic....cereals, grains, corn, vegetables etc. It has also been found in dog and cat food.

    I live literally 20ft away from an orchard that is regularly sprayed from Springtime onwards until apple harvesting time (usually early October) The sprayer machines make a heck of a din, so as soon as I first hear them in there, I take off in my car and just stay away, and have done for years now.
    The worst thing though is if/whenever they start spraying at dawn in summertime. That is around 4.30 am when they start work. I can't get anywhere quickly at that time. Just have to make sure all windows are closed.

    Now weird isn't it? This year they only sprayed twice and that was ages ago. This is the year I have become sick.

    Yet I have seen lots of insects here, and a few varieties of bees, plenty of slugs and snails, dragonflies, etc etc. The only things that have disappeared are the Glow worms that used to line my lane on a summer night.
     
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