"something in the serum"

[RogerBlack]

They are also a waste of time.

What do you mean by this?

 

[MeSci]

What do you mean by this?

I'm afraid animal studies do not tell us anything about humans. Here is one of my blogs on the subject:

http://forums.phoenixrising.me/inde...her-slams-requirement-for-animal-models.1691/

I have written extensively on the subject, in a paid and unpaid capacity. I'm afraid I am unable to now - I can't think properly - but here are the other articles on here:

http://forums.phoenixrising.me/index.php?entries/why-differences-matter-more-than-similarities.1576/
http://forums.phoenixrising.me/inde...robiota-fail-to-develop-normal-immunity.1551/
http://forums.phoenixrising.me/inde...from-my-report-on-animal-research-flaws.1550/
http://forums.phoenixrising.me/index.php?entries/the-flawed-paradigm-of-animal-models.1549/

 

[Skycloud]

@Countrygirl, @RogerBlack - Thanks for the correction re: organ donation

 

[RogerBlack]

I'm afraid animal studies do not tell us anything about humans. Here is one of my blogs on the subject:

I disagree.
In certain circumstances, they can be useful.

If, for example, ME/CFS serum caused mice to exhibit PEM-like (or any measurable differential symptom to controls) symptoms, then that would be a very valuable thing to find out. (if normal patient did not).

You can then start filtering the serum in various ways to see what fraction of it causes that symptom.
Is it certain to work at all - absolutely not.

 

[MeSci]

I disagree.
In certain circumstances, they can be useful.

If, for example, ME/CFS serum caused mice to exhibit PEM-like (or any measurable differential symptom to controls) symptoms, then that would be a very valuable thing to find out. (if normal patient did not).

You can then start filtering the serum in various ways to see what fraction of it causes that symptom.
Is it certain to work at all - absolutely not.

I'm afraid I disagree, but we'll have to leave it at that as I'm not capable of arguing, except to say that figures prove that animal experiments are useless. They are especially so in light of the genetic variants that have been produced that are so far from a normal animal, let alone a human, that what can be determined from them is useless.

Quite apart from the immense cruelty involved - millions die without even being tested, as they are simply too different from normal, and the deaths are particularly weird and vile. I don't know if I have detailed this in my posts - I can't actually read them at present. (I've had M.E. for over 20 years.)