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Science Media Centre with Holgate/Crawley/McCrone - more anti-patient prejudice? (FITNET)

Ben H

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Hi guys,

This article is on the main BBC website:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-37822068

Its absolutely awful as you might expect. Stark contrast to IACFS.

A therapy that successfully treats two-thirds of children with chronic fatigue syndrome is being trialled for NHS use.

The disease affects one in 50 children, leading to mental health problems and missing school.

"If anyone has done a cross-country [run] or a marathon - that is how it feels all the time," said Jessica, 14.

The trial, on 734 children, will use intensive online therapy sessions to adjust sleeping habits and activity levels.

It also uses a form of behavioural therapy to help children with the disease adapt the way they live.

Studies suggest one in 100 children misses at least a day of class a week because of the disease.

When Jessica - not her real name - was 10, she missed the equivalent of a whole term in one school year.

She was diagnosed with chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS) - also known as myalgic encephalomyelitis (ME) - at the age of 11.

"I can't do the things my friends can do," she told the BBC News website.

"I've missed a lot of birthdays.

"When they have sleepovers, I have to sacrifice that.

"And I can only do mornings at school, so I miss a lot of lessons."

Prof Esther Crawley, a children's doctor and from the University of Bristol, said: "This illness is devastating. About 50% of teenagers are tired, but these children are different - they stop doing the stuff they want to do.

"The first thing they drop is socialising and fun things, then they drop school, so this is very different to teenagers just being tired."

Jessica's mother said: "It has been hell, it has been depressing.

"I have lost friends, she has lost friends.

"She loves Florence and the Machine and her best friends went [to watch the band play live], it is isolating because her friends were doing what her mind wants to do but her body cannot."

Prof Crawley is leading the FITNET-NHS trial, to see if online consultations work and are cost-effective for the health service.

It is being funded by the research wing of the NHS in England, but when the results are out all the devolved health services would then decide whether they wanted to introduce it.

Trials of the scheme in the Netherlands showed 63% of the patients given therapy had no symptoms after six months, whereas just 8% recovered without it.

The scheme offers behavioural therapy sessions to change the way children think of the disease and aims to reduce the time spent sleeping and sometimes cut activity levels.

The approach regularly receives criticism from some activists who argue it treats chronic fatigue syndrome as a disease of the mind.

Prof Crawley said: "A teenager might say, 'You are just trying to change my sleep', but do you know how much biology you actually change?

"Children who come to my clinic have low cortisol [stress hormone] levels in the morning, that is why they feel so terrible; by changing their sleep, we reverse that.

"The stuff we are doing is not a pill, but it might as well be."

Lizzie Horgan, 26, from Hertfordshire, is just getting back to work after being hit with chronic fatigue syndrome in 2015.

"One evening I came home feeling really unwell and passed out, I had no control over my body.

"I was initially really reluctant to take up the offer of cognitive behavioural therapy, as I assumed it was for something psychological, but actually it really helped me understand what was happening to my body.

"So I think the trial is really cool and really exciting."

The results of the study should be known in 2022.

Mary-Jane Willows, from the Association of Young People with ME, told the BBC: "It is a scandal, what other condition would you leave a child with - undiagnosed and untreated?

"And the trouble is the longer they are left, the more ill they become.

"This trial is hugely important, every day we are phoned by parents who are desperate to get treatment for their children."

Prof Stephen Holgate, from the Medical Research Council, said: "CFS/ME is an important disabling condition.

"It has been chronically underfunded for years; patients deserve high-quality research like this."

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Unfortunately you cannot leave comments....

This comment made me cry inside:

"Prof Stephen Holgate, from the Medical Research Council, said: "CFS/ME is an important disabling condition."

"It has been chronically underfunded for years; patients deserve high-quality research like this."

Not suprised at content, slightly suprised its on BBC main page.


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aimossy

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Too late to send them to the IACFSME conference clearly.

This comment made me cry inside:

"Prof Stephen Holgate, from the Medical Research Council, said: "CFS/ME is an important disabling condition."

"It has been chronically underfunded for years; patients deserve high-quality research like this."

Not suprised at content, slightly suprised its on BBC main page.


Me too Ben.
 

Ben H

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I posted about this in a separate thread not having realised it was already here. Saw this first thing this morning. Felt like a gut punch.

Stark contrast to IACFS eh? Im ashamed of the UK's continuing ineptitude, it is just outrageous. Plus the plethora of inaccuracies about the condition in the article.

Also suprised its on BBC main page, and you cannot comment.

EDIT: I see you can now comment.

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aimossy

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How can you complain about the SMC formally? Do they have a governing body at all or a complaints system.. ie how can we take them on?
Ready for the slaps of it's impossible.

Anyhow this has made me donate again to Columbia CII and OMF even if it's just 20USD for each. I can afford to donate so I'm doing my bit for those that can't.
 
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AndyPR

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Lest anyone think there is any hope for MEGA or the CMRC....here is a doozy comment from Prof Holgate from the BBC link talking about the FITNET project

"Prof Stephen Holgate, from the Medical Research Council, said: "CFS/ME is an important disabling condition.

"It has been chronically underfunded for years, patients deserve high quality research like this."

So this is what he considers high quality research? Lordy lord.

Get signing OMEGA. Quick!

https://www.change.org/p/opposing-m...twitter&utm_campaign=share_twitter_responsive
Completely agree with this. And if Crawley believes that this is an effective treatment/cure for kids with ME then why are kids being tested in MEGA. I really don't see how she can reconcile the two things here, either ME is a psychiatric condition that responds to CBT or its a physical condition that needs investigating as such, I guess that she will claim that its a physical condition that responds to CBT, unlike all other physical conditions ever known to man.
 

Ben H

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How can you complain about the CMC formally? Do they have a governing body at all or a complaints system.. ie how can we take them on?
Ready for the slaps of it's impossible.

Anyhow this has made me donate again to Columbia CII and OMF even if it's just 20USD for each. I can afford to donate so I'm doing my bit for those that can't.

Thanks Aimossy! And it will actually end up being $80 for OMF because of #tripletuesday campaign (as you know). Thats cheered me up!


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aimossy

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And if Crawley believes that this is an effective treatment/cure for kids with ME then why are kids being tested in MEGA. I really don't see how she can reconcile the two things here, either ME is a psychiatric condition that responds to CBT or its a physical condition that needs investigating as such, I guess that she will claim that its a physical condition that responds to CBT, unlike all other physical conditions ever known to man.
I really like this point!
 

A.B.

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So Holgate thinks this is high quality research. That's all I need to know he's incompetent, and should never be allowed to lead any research project into the illness. It's looking increasingly likely that MEGA is going to be an expensive failure.
 

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I thought the BBC had finally got something right. They have been busy plugging the interview with EC at 8.10, so when they started "It is designed to be the deciding conflict..." I presumed this must be it. But no. It was about Mosul.


That same thing happened to me!

I also noticed that they referred to it as "Myaglic encaphalopathy" rather than encephalomyelitis.
 

Cheesus

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Listening to Esther Crawley on the BBC and fuming. Itching to do something.

Make sure you make a complaint. Their coverage has been incredibly biased. If they wanted a non-biased debate they would have had Jonathan Edwards or Charles Shepherd on at the same time as Crawley. They should have also given more space to opposing views in their articles. See my earlier post for the link to make a complaint.
 

AndyPR

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I thought I saw her quoted today as saying it's "not psychiatric", AndyPR.


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Lol, then that proves what a sham scientist she is then. If it's not psychiatric then it can't be treated with CBT. I know it isn't anything I can influence but I'm fed up of being ashamed by most mainstream UK science in this field, although all of this gives me a greater appreciation for the efforts of Invest in ME in particular, as well as the other charities who facilitate biomedical research.